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100. Reid & Wright, March 08, 2004 - In the 1920/30s Frank Phelps aka Frank Reid or Read or Reed traveled with a circus/traveling show. Their stage names were Reid & Wright - possibly not that spelling. He also had a little dog that he performed with. His name was Frank Phelps aka Frank Reid or Read or Reed. I was just given a photo of Frank with his performing dog and became very curious about him. My understanding was that Frank and his 2nd wife traveled with a circus? repertoire company? and he and his wife used the stage name of Reid and Wright. He also worked with that little dog, who, it was said, was VERY smart. In the photo Frank is dressed in a sailor suit. His name was Frank Phelps and he was still touring in 1931 in Michigan. He showed up at my parents house and said he "understood he had a new granddaughter who looked just like him!" Often after that he and his wife would come to Battle Creek and camp outside of town and the whole family would meet at the campsite. He might have been born in Battle Creek, Michigan, where he married, Viola DePuy in 1900. Please respond with any pertinent information. swalker4@frontiernet.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: 03-Feb-05 - Bonjour. Je recherche un Joseph REED ou Charles REED - Ecuyer dans un Cirque en FRANCE en 1867 et 1879 - Marié à une Hermine PION - Merci si vous avez des renseignements - Cordialement Jocelyne, jocelyne.cardone@free.fr. [Attempted translation via translation website: Hello. I research a Joseph REED or Charles REED - Ecuyer in a Circus in FRANCE in 1867 and 1879 - Married to a Hermine PAWN - Thank-you if you have pieces of information.]

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99. James DeForest aka James Woods, March 08, 2004 - Jimmy DeForest, a/k/a James Woods, a/k/a Kid Woods, also a member of a trapeze team called The Flying DeForests or The Five Flying DeForests, made his fame as boxing trainer. He trained, among others, Jack Dempsey for his championship fight on July 4, 1919. He also was attached to a circus known as "Wolf's All Star Circus," as well as the Barnum & Bailey Circus. I have a Route Book covering the Barnum & Bailey Circus for the year 1888. There are several Woods listed therein, one being James Woods and I believe that person to be James DeForest. Unfortunately I was only able to know him for about four years of my life. I am now trying to get any information I can about him. Jane DeForest, jdf1@monmouth.com. Respond to this message

    Reply: 08 Oct 2007 - Did the James DeForest you are searching for have a wife named Stella? Thomas M Humphrey, moneyxvelocity@comcast.net

    Reply: 29 May 2008 - Was the Jimmy DeForrest you are seeking employed by King Brothers Circus? Was he also a ventriloquist? Mitzi Humphrey, chiaroscurogm@gmail.com


98. Escalante Brothers Circus, March 04, 2004 - I would like to find pictures of the Escalante Brothers Circus. I would appreciate if you could tell me were I could find them or I could buy posters and or pictures, news articles. Maria Elena Escalante, Lopezfamily2002@aol.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: April 27, 2004 - You asked about the Escalante Family Circus and wanted pictures ... I am part of that family. My Great Grandfather was one of the owners of the Escalante Circus... I was just wondering why you were looking for pictures?
    Reply: September 26, 2004 - My name is Gary Crouch. I have many photos and much info on the wonderful Escalante Circus. What is your connection? My grandfather founded this circus. circusfam1@bak.rr.com.
    Reply: October 10, 2004 - My great-grandfather Pedro Escalante was a Flying Escalante Bros. My grandfather is Mark Escalante. My name is Christopher Anderson and my mother is Cynthia Anderson (Escalante). I would love to hear more about the Escalante's. Please email me if you have time. Talk to you soon. chrisbce@hotmail.com. Chris
    Reply: December 25, 2004 - My name is Kathy Escalante Clark. My grandmother was Cruz Escalante Azcona one of the founding family members. There were three sisters and three brothers. My father is Nick Escalante who is still seen on the "I Love Lucy Show" He's the bass player. I also have many pictures that I inherited from my grandparents. I would love to hear from you. kathy-clark@verizon.net.
    Reply: 17 July, 2005 - I'm looking for pictures of the Escalante brothers! Their circus posters and family. I want to know as much info you can tell me about the Escalante Family and their circus. Ubina@msn.com, Thank you, Deborah Ubina
    Reply: 15 September, 2005 - Hi deborah - My name is Gary Escalante Crouch - my granfather Marino Escalante was the founder of the great Escalante Bros. circus - my mother Esther Escalante was a great trapeze artist - and doubled in the movies with her brothers - I have many photos and much info. on this wonderful family - gary, circusfam@bak.rr.com.

    Reply: 24 April, 2006 - I am responding to your message. My grandfather Mariano Escalante was a member of the family circus and I am interested to know of relatives from that side of the family. My grandmother and he divorced when my mom was only 6 years. Please respond. Janet Sewell

    Reply: 24 June, 2006 - hi janet, My name is gary escalante crouch - your grandfather was my uncle - we called him uncle nini - i have tons of info. and photos of my wonderful family - I dont know who your mom is but i remember marian, diana, sylvia, gilda, and geraldine - i hope all is well with your mom and aunts- i think of them often- love - cousin gary - lets talk - 909 5904489 (my shop)

    Reply: 07 September, 2006 - Hello, my name is Annita Alvarado. I have been doing family searches on our family. I have sat down with my father in law who is 81 as of June. He has alot of stories about his circus family. Escalante Bros. I went to ask.com and put in Escalante bros. and I found what I was looking for. Family. How cool. Please respond and I will fill you in on what I know. Waiting to hear from you. Oh P.S. (ice breaker) I don't want anything from you. (hahaha) Annita, mamasgirl1966@sbcglobal.net

    Reply: 03 June 2007 - Hi, my name is Irene, and I have been doing family research. I have a great-grandmother whose name was Jesus Escalante, She was born about 1875 in Mexico. All I know about her is that she was "given" to a family at birth. The last name was Escalante and it was a traveling circus family. Jesus lived with the Escalantes until she was 15 and was then married to a Miguel Navarro. They immigrated to Bisbee, Arizona.about 1890. I am trying to find the name of the Escalante family that raised her. If anyone has any information on this family I would love to hear from you. dimillar@sbcglobal.net

    Reply: 21 Oct 2007 - This is a re-post from a couple years ago (email changed and I could not remember how to get back to this site.) My name is Kathy Escalante Clark. My grandmother was Cruz Escalante Azcona one of the founding family members. There were three sisters and three brothers. My father is Nick Escalante who is still seen on the "I Love Lucy Show" He's the bass player. I also have many pictures that I inherited from my grandparents, and keep the family legacy alive by having them all over my home. I would love to hear from any of you. kathyeclark@mail.com

    Reply: 11 Mar 2008 - My name is Erlene, I posted the first message. I am doing a family tree and Henry Aacevedo Escalante “Blackie” is a member of our family tree. I have found out that he was a actor in many movies. He was married to Lorena Louise Markham. Everything I see talks about a Circus. But yet I cann’t find anything or very little on the history of this circus. I would love to added to the history of our family. I have linked our family to Mary Martin, “Peter Pan”. Please, if you can help me with the history and photo’s it would be wonderful for my grandkids. Thank you very much. Erlene

    Reply: 22 Aug 2008 - I am just reading all the posts on Escalante Family Circus. We do have many pictures and stories. My name is Nina Gallegos. My Grandmother was Henrietta (Annie) Escalante. Her Father (My Great Grandfather) was Pedro Escalante. My Great Uncles (Grandmother's brothers) are Marcus (Mark) Escalante and Peter Escalante. I have pictures of my Grandfather Pedro with his bear Bud from the Circus. When I lived in California we went twice a year to clean and maintain all the circus family graves. My Uncle Pete has passed on and so has my Grandmother Annie, but My Uncle Marcus is still here. Anyone out there that is family and needs questions answered or want to talk, I am here. And just to add to this story, 2 weeks ago we were cleaning out closets and found one of the belt buckles (one of the originals) of the Escalante Circus buckle that so many of the family members had. Hope to hear from you all soon :) Nina Gallegos, Wolfsopure@aol.com


97. Royal Bros. Circus, March 04, 2004 - Back in 1976 I was hitching across Canada and wound up working for a circus for 8 months. The name of the circus was Royal Bros. Circus. They were from Oklahoma, but were based out of Cambelford, Ontario, Canada. Lately I have been wondering what ever happened to them. It has been almost 30 years so I really can't remember any names of the owners other than the owner's name was John. If anyone can help me, I would be much grateful. I know it's a long shot, but what the hey - it was a great 8 months for a 19 year old, but was all work and no site seeing, but was a blast none the less. Thank you for your time, franko. franko1111@yahoo.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 15, 2004 - I owned Royal Bros. Circus in partnership with John Frazier from 1973-1976. In 1976 Johnny and his brother Corky bought Fisher Bros. Circus on the income from Mel Silverlake and operated it as Fisher Bros. Circus. Corky ran it. That year Harry Rawls worked for us and Johnny was gone several times trying to keep Fisher Bros. booked. We had wintered the show in Barons, Alberta and opened on an Indian reserve near there that spring. I had already made plans to dissolve the partnership at the end of the season. In October or so Johnny wrote saying he wanted to end the partnership which made it easier for me. I had already ordered a new tent and was framing Martin and Downs Circus which opened in May 1977 which I kept going until 1983. That year we started a new indoor circus - Super Circus International. At the end of the 1983 season we decided to just keep the indoor circus and I toured it until I retired in 1991.
         You are right about Campbellford, Ontario. I put the show together at a half way house for paroled convicts that (Howard King - ex carny jam auction man); a friend of Shirley's mother was running in Keswick, Ontario. The cons all helped paint and get the show ready. One ex-con turned out to be a great agent until he fell off the wagon and drove our station wagon into the side of a church. We closed the show near Peterboro that season. A few weeks before we had shown Campbellford. Willard Ransom a circus fan in the town had Shirley and me over to his house for a meal and on the corner of the block that he lived on was a big old house with a double lot for sale. Shirley and myself bought the house a few weeks later and lived in it until 1982 when we moved to Toronto. We wintered Royal Bros. once in Campbellford. We wintered Martin and Downs there for a season but then moved into the market building at the Peterboro fairgrounds until 1982 when the city needed all the space for market stalls. That last season we wintered it in the fairgrounds in Lakefield, Ont. - a few miles north of Peterboro. Later we bought a flea market on highway 7 by-pass to use as a winter quarters for the indoor show and we stored the tent show there, too. When Golpher Davenport was through a few years ago we sold him our seats. I sold Ron Morris and Tuffy Nicols my indoor show which Tuffy now operates as Stars of the Moscow Circus. We sold the winter quarters two years ago and our Toronto office on Kingston Rd. We sold last year.
         On Royal Bros. half of the equipment had Oklahoma plates because we both contributed equipment to the show plus all the animal trucks went south with Johnnie for the winter. We also from time to time leased equipment from Dory and others. In 1975 we had a leased hippo from Mel Silverlake plus a cage semi of animals from Dory plus three bulls from Dory. John built a new elephant semi that year and that went with him in the split of equipment. He used it on his Circus Genoa. I ended up with one of the early Kelly-Miller spool trucks.
         If you want more info contact me at stencell@sympatico.ca. May want to find High Grass Circus, an hour documentary done on the show in 1975 that came out in 1976 and was nominated for an academy award. It was done by the National Film Board of Canada. It is still shown from time to time on PBS in the U.S. We went west in 1975. Al Stencell.
    Reply: 08 August, 2005 - My father John Frazier and Al Stencil were partners on this show. I was 12 years old and I remember the year that the show opened and the halfway house where we built and painted the poles. If I recall many of the poles were trees that were either cut around there or someplace close. I still have blisters on my hands from skinning the bark off of the trees prior to painting them. Regards, John Frazier

    Reply: 10 Nov 2007 - My name is Robert S, Frazier, my dad's name was Jack Frazier. He died in the early nineties but his life and his families life was always bigger than life to me. You see I grew up half in and half out of a Circus family. I always tried so hard to be part of their lives but never could since the life of a "Circusteer" and a "Circus Family" lies in their ties to the world of the "Traveling Show". Not like a carnival mind you, but, the differences that come from having to pick-up and move everyday. Repeating the incredible feats of yesterday all over today, only in another town. It sorta had to be in your blood. It is there in mine but very very dormant. You see my dad was a clown named "Corky" and he will never know how much I loved him and his family. Their way of life was one of action, fun, moving from place to place, and the big show. It was a hard life but an exciting one. Everyone seem to look up at you as if you were something very special. If you were part of the "Circus" or "Show", you could always count on free cotton candy, popcorn and a candy apple or two. I would always become part of the circus when ever we visited and everything was free. I ever spent a summer or two in Canada with the "Royal Bros" and "Fisher Bros" shows. These circus folk are a very giving lot, they would give you the shirt off their backs if you needed it. In fact I do think this is where I get my own generous heart from. I can still smell that ominous odor coming from the elephant truck or the side show where the gorilla was. I remember at night, when the work was finished, everyone on the show would meet at the "Meal Car" or "Dinner Wagon" to exchange stories. You would always get that late night snack there and then spent until the early morning hours telling and hearing stories. I can still hear Bob Raburn yelling "Get your butts out of the rack, we got to be on the road in an hour and set up in two".
          The names I remember best are the "Royal Brothers Circus", "Fisher Brothers Circus" and the "Keller Miller Circus". I can still remember like it was yesterday having to work around the film crew doing the documentary on the Royal Bros Show. I spent a couple summers working with my dad on both the Royal Bros and Fisher Bros shows and in the mean time saw Canada from a very different perspective. I even wrecked the pole truck I was driving. Dad always thought I was screwing around with this cat we had in the cab and wasn't paying attention to the road, which by the way I wasn't, but "I WASN'T SCREWING WITH THE CAT". We came up on a very sharp curve but the sign on the side of the road had been messed with and I thought the sign said 45 mph. A digit was changed from a "1" to a "4" making the speed 45 when it should have read 15. Well, big "Bertha" moved, the truck jackknifed, and there went the entire load of big top poles onto the highway. The bleachers went with them as well.
          I was just 15 myself and didn't have a clue as what to do, so I sat down, got comfortable, and waited for the crew to catch up to me. Oh, big Bertha was the big tops main center pole.
          There was this other time when I blew the arrows and ended up going into the U.S. without boarder patrol permission and had half of Maine looking for me. I did however, sneak back across without incident. I owe this to a very very nice Canadian Monty. Incidentally. "Thank You very much for being so kind, if you happen to read this. I loved the meal and was happy to meet the family. I think you will know who you are.
          Many years later long after the Royal and Fisher Bros. show dissolved I planted roots in Missouri and every year when Kelly Miller circus got close I would always get excited that I might run into some friends and family. My cousin was Kelly Bros manager, and I think even own the show for awhile but don't quote me on that I am not really sure. I know they were very kind to me and my family when ever we went out but I could tell they really didn't want us there. I always felt pretty much like an outsider. But we always loved seeing the show. One year we ever got a chance to visit with my Aunt and Uncle, Harry and Mary Rawls. If any of you happen to read this, I love you all and would like to hear from any of you. As for the other Frazier's out there, I love you guys too and would like to hear from you guys as well. I pray everyday that the pains of the pass would be forgotten and we could all just love one another. I pass on love, goodness and health to each and every one of you. Including you John John. Sincerely, Robert S. Frazier, robfraz11@comcast.net

    Reply: 20 May 2008 - In the mid 1970s I spent time taking photographs of the Royal Brothers Circus, in and around Guelph Ontario. They are mostly of the different performers off stage. I have had six rolls of black and white negatives with me since that time. Is anyone interested in these negatives? Dan Thorburn, Calgary, trout@telusplanet.net

    Reply: 29 May 2009 - 1976 was a good year. I joined up in picton that year. Did two seasons up here,then went with johnny for the winter. Show was broke, me and Jim went to work at a zoo. After a face to face with a lion I hightailed back to Ontario. nice to hear from you, Wayne


96. Johnny J. Jones Exposition, March 02, 2004 - I am trying to find some information about the Johnny J. Jones Exposition from 1912 (or before) until 1935-1936. I am told also that their winter headquarters were here in Tampa. I am particularly interested in any information you may have on a man named Col. or Captain Jim Moore who might have owned or operated the Johnny J. Jones Exposition and/or a Wild West Show during that time period. I have a picture of him at the World's Fair in Chicago, in 1935-1936, probably one of or maybe his last show before retiring from the business. I am also trying to find a copy of Bob Goldsack's book, "Johnny's Here": the History of the Johnny J. Jones Expo, which I saw referenced in your message board. That book seems to be out of print and I'm having trouble obtaining a copy of it. Any information you have would be helpful and greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Misty Hall, mhall29@tampabay.rr.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 13, 2004 - I do have a copy of the Bob Goldsack Book on the circus and it is a good overall history of the circus but is not much help for those of us who are searching for individuals. It referred to Wild Animal shows but no names for handlers or keepers. I looked for the name Cpt Jim Moore but did not find it. GilmanJune@aol.com
    Reply: 31-Dec-04 - I too am interested in anything about the Johnny J. Jones Exposition. It is said that my grandmother traveled as a dancer with the Exposition. I do have pictures of her in costume. My uncle is named Johnny J. Jones, Jr. His widow said that he had an uncle who owned a big circus! I talked with a circus historian once, who told me that many male relatives of Johnny J. Jones who ran the exposition were named Johnny J. Jones. My aunt says she has a picture of the father, Johnny J. Jones, of my uncle. I have not seen it yet. I did go to the library in Orlando, and got copies of newspaper articles on the death of the Johnny J. Jones who owned the Exposition. He was pictured in those articles. I would love to find something in print that refers to my grandmother. Her name was May or Mae (Rice) Jones. Debbie Meyer, dandbmeyer@aol.com.
    Reply: 10-Jan-05 - My mother was a star dancer in the 40's and performed at Johnny J. Jones Exposition in Altoona. I have the newspaper clipping and several photos of her in costume. Her stage name was Desira. If anyone knows of anyone during that time (5-9-1949) I would love to hear from them. Till next time. Jeannie, tmwallstbaby@yahoo.com.
    Reply: 03 April, 2005 - My grandfather made and sold soda and ice cream in Milton, PA. For years he had a circus picture that hung in his office over his desk. I now have that picture. At the bottom it states "Johnny J Jones Exposition, Dayton, Ohio, June 25, 1925". The picture is about 10 inches wide and 47 inches and appears to be everyone in the exposition, including 3 elephants. I have been told by many family members that there is a man that is in the picture twice, at each end since it was taken in sections, but I have not been able to find him. Other than that I don't have any information but would like to know more. w.newburg@att.net


95. Johnson Bros. Circus, February 29, 2004 - I'm looking for information regarding a traveling circus which worked the west coast towns in Oregon and Washington in the early 1900s. I believe it was Johnson Brothers circus. It must have folded tent or been bought out in the twenties or thirties. Regards, Brad Stepanek, brad.stepanek@hp.com. Respond to this message


94. Escalante Brothers Circus, February 29, 2004 - Looking for information on the Escalante Brothers Circus. A member of this family was Henry A. Escalante, "Blackie." Thank you, Erlene, erlene@bestclan.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 02, 2004 - The Circo Escalante Hnos. was out in 1930 playing Oakland, Calif. Aug 1 to 4. The Ecalanate Bros. Mexican Circus of 1931 played Oakland, Calif. Aug 15 to 17. These two dates are from a list of circuses that played in the San Francisco Area. In 1945 The Circo Escalante played May 15 & 16 at Pomona, Calif; May 17 & 18 at Los Angeles, Calif.; July 24 to 26 at Oxnard, Calif; July 29 to 31 at Santa Barbara, Calif; Aug 1 & 2 at Taft, Calif, Aug 3 & 4 at Bakersfield, Calif, and Aug. 5 & 6 at Delano, Calif. All of these dates are from Billboard references. In 1946 Circo Escalante played Aug 6 & 7 at Hayward, Calif; Aug 8 at Fruitvale, Calif; Aug 9 at Vallejo, Calif; Aug 10 & 11 Richmond, Calif; Aug 12 at Vacaville, Calif, and Aug 13 & 14 at Sacramento, Calif. These notes come from the Charlie Campbell route sheets that were issued. John Polacsek
    Reply: April 28, 2004 - My Family founded and owned Escalante Circus ... if you want information ... Please let me know .... I am related to Blackie. WoIfsopure@aol.com.
    Reply: December 01, 2004 - I am an author writing an historical fiction aimed at younger, (tweens) readers. I have an idea that involves a traveling Mexican circus. Though this is not the main focus of the story, I would like to research traveling Mexican Circuses, especially those that crossed back and forth between the US and Mexico, to help nail down authentic details. Any help or redirection or naming of source material, or actual books would be most appreciated. Russ Riekeman, ABQ., N.M., bryan_a@aps.edu.
    Reply: 15 September, 2005 - Erlene - Blackie Escalante was my uncle - I have many photos and much info. on this wonderful circus family - gary escalante crouch, circusfam1@bak.rr.com

    Reply: 02 May 2008 - Gary, I was just looking at my messages. I could not believe you reply to my email. Trying to get information on the Escalante Family is very hard. I have started a family tree page and I have trace McPherson family back to Scotland. Chris McPherson my husband Uncle was married to Louise Escalante. You might know Christalee, her daughter. I am hoping to add the Escalante family to the McPherson Family Tree. Please if you could mail direct and help me work on the family tree (Escalante). Christalee has emailed me few pictures, I you could help me with names and pictures it would be wonderful. Thank you Erlene, peanut@bestclan.net


93. Count Nolan, lion tamer, February 28, 2004 - I've been searching for materials, pictures etc. about a lion tamer named "Count Nolan". As a child this man lived in my home town, Wrentham Massachusetts, and had his animals in the back yard. I remember his act as "Count Nolan and his Jungle Killers", and that as a family see saw him perform at Benson's Wild Animal farm in New Hampshire...what a thrill! Ken Mayer, crisiskenm@msn.com. Respond to this message

    Reply: 11 Dec 2007 - His name was Ed Nolan – he contracted for a season at Pleasure Island in Wakefield, Mass and the next year worked with a circus from Canada (Gardner Bros. from Ontario or Toronto) that shipped the entire circus to provide entertainment in Bermuda for the month of May. The big top, cats, horses, elephants and dogs traveled by ship from NY to Bermuda – there might have been some newspaper coverage – May 61 or 62. Richard Todd, Richard.Todd@hpmg.com


92. Kelly Bros. Circus, February 28, 2004 - When I was little, my family said we had relatives who owned a circus. Their last name was Kelly. They wintered in Illinois on a farm. Supposedly, they once dyed their elephants pink and were in Life Magazine. I think I remember seeing that picture. I have been trying to find out if all this was fact or fiction. My grandfather, who was an irish storyteller, used to tell us that he used to hang by his teeth in the circus. (Now that very possibly could have been fiction.) Anyway, would you be able to suggest where and how I can research the circus. My cousins and I feel sure some fragment of the family story is true. M. McCarty, mollkev@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 29, 2004 - There was a husband and wife team who bought the old circus winter quarters in Peru Indiana. Her name was Dottie Kelly. They used to dye their elephants pink. I think it was the old Cole Brothers Winter Quarters. This was about 40 years ago. rebecca@granitecity.com
    Reply: April 06, 2004 - The history of the Kelly Bros. goes back to Patrick and his brother Dan Kelly who once had the circus ringbarn at Petersburg, Illinois about 1910 which was originally managed by the Shipp Family. The show was out as Kelly Brothers World's Greater Shows in 1914, and played in Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota. In 1922 it was Kelly Bros.and they did a number of fair shows. In 1927 & 1928 they went out under canvas again and called the show Singer Brothers. Dan was the clown and Pat was an acrobat. In 1946 & 1947 they played a number of indoor dates under Kelly & Morris, and had a winter quarters at Havanna, Illinois. For the 1948 season the show went out under canvas as the Kelly & Morris Circus. A few years later the show moved their winter quarters to Oak Hill, Florida and in 1956 & 1957 the title was changed to Benson Brothers. It closed that year. Pat Kelly then took their star attraction an elephant named Blanche and did elephant rides at the Circus World Museum for a season or two. Pat Kelly had a son named Paul Kelly who married Dorothy and they purchased the old Cole Bros. Winterquarters at Peru, Indiana, and had the pink elehants which were on the cover or Life or Look magazine. Pat had a daughter named Bernice who married William Morris. They had a son named William Morris who with his wife Cindy is currently booking his elephant act - The Elephant Encounter, and their son William Jr.and his wife are also working an elephant act on various circuses. John Polacsek, Detroit, Michigan

    Reply: 12 January, 2006 - Just an update: My thanks to Mr. Polacsek who directed me to William Morris of Elephant Encounter. He was most helpful. I have since found that the Life Magazine is the March 7, 1960 issue and the pink elephants are featured on P. 45. I now have a copy. My great grandmother Kelly was the sister of the original Kelly Bros. I would now love to track down copies of any pictures of Patrick and Dan and/or the circus that might be out there. M. McCarthy

    Reply: 22 July, 2006 - I'm related to the Kelly's and just today we had pictures of the Kelly's through the years out, to include Pat (my great grandfather), Dan and the whole family, along with many circus pictures of the family. My grandmother Berniece Kelly-Morris is Pat's daughter and Jobernie Morris-Weaver and William Morris Jr.'s mother. If you or anyone has any information to share please email kellyk@bellsouth.net. Thank You Kelly Weaver

    Reply: 24 July 2007 - Hi, This is Kelly Weaver - a distant relative - we emailed a few times last year - had a computer crash and forgot where I found your email - anyway - I have some interesting pictures and info on Mary Hogan - thought you might be interested - I remember you I believe gave another email. Kelly


91. Captain William Purchase, February 26, 2004 - I live in England and am researching an English circus, Purchase's Circus, Menagerie and Wild West Tour. One of the members of this circus, Captain William Purchase, born in UK in 1883/4, he emigrated to America in about 1913. William was a wild animal trainer and was reported to be appearing in Col. Francis Ferrari Shows United in 'oil city' in 1916. He also appeared in silent animal movies and worked for Barnum and Bailey. In 1945 he was in Florida, controlling rides and amusements at Daytona Beach. He died at his home in New York in 1951, aged 68. I have tried in vain to access US immigration and social security death records from England using the internet, but without success. Any help with information on Captain Purchase and his family would be much appreciated. nickbrady@onetel.net.uk. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 08, 2004 - ON COL FRANCIS FERRARI: The actual Col. Francis Ferrari, who in Europe was to be seen at the Exibitione de Milano of 1890, died in 1914, aged only 52, traditionally from a claw scratch turning sceptic. Francis Ferrari was British too. Born in Hull, he first came to the US in 1894, in partnership with the well-known Frank Bostock, also an animal showman. Francis Ferrari´s Shows United was continued after his death by Francis brother Jose, businesswise, well into the twenties, sometimes under the name of the Mighty Doris and (Col Francis) Ferrari Combined Shows. They had some 40-60 exotic animals and several trainers working for them at the same time. The menagerie included tigers, lions, ligers, leopards, but also crocodiles, boas and other reptiles. In 1914, in the same instance as Col Ferrari getting scratched, one of the trainers, a Captain Lorenzo, was killed by one of the lions during a 4th of July parade at Mount Clemens, Michigan. Possibly he was followed up by your Captain Purchase then? From 1915 to 1920 the menagerie Head was Professor Herman Weedon, doubtfully a real professor but certainly a real eccentric, so he must have been the one that employed Capt. Purchase. I haven´t found anything on Purchase himself so far but will look a little further. Greetings, Natasha Gerson, the Netherlands, nani@xs4all.nl.
    Reply: March 08, 2004 - Well the 1920 census didn´t reveal much, a William Purchase in a hospital somewhere as a patient, with no age or anything else filled in, so it could be him but could be one of the many American born William Purchases. The SSN has no applicable William Purchase at all, which doesn´t say much, as he might have been retired before needing a social security number, or his death wasn´t officially noted by the SSN. But the 1930 census gives the following: William Purchase, in 1930 47 years, birth year (est) 1882, Birthplace Wales, Race White, living in district 18, Franklin, Somerset, New Jersey. The census document itself gives the following details for Purchase: Occupation: Animal Trainer Place: Circus (so that makes it pretty definite its him right?) American Citizenship is indeed of 1913, Philidelphia and so is that of his wife, Alice, who is at that time 37 years old (est birth year 1892) and is listed as: Occupation: Helper Place: Bandstand. They have two working daughters, Phillys of 19 and Edna of 17, one born Wales, one born England, citizenship both NJ 1929, both working in a factory ´dried matter´, and one younger daughter, Pearl, 14, born America, occupation none. Now there is a SSN death notice for Alice Purchase, born Dec 8, 1892, so that must be her, and her last residence was 07010 Cliffside Park, Bergen, NJ. She died May 1974. I did look a little further on the daughters, but they must have married and unfortunately the SSN mostly registers ladies by their married names. Good luck with the rest of your search, Natasha Gerson.


90. Sipe's Shows, February 24, 2004 - I am looking for further information on the various SIPE circus shows from Kokomo, Indiana. I have George Sipe's obit. I know that one of his shows was purchased by the Gentry Brothers and would be happy to share anything else that other may find interesting. Bill Robinson, Toronto, robinsonb@sympatico.ca. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 26, 2004 - You may already have this information. In Directory of American Circuses 1793-2000, Robert L. Parkinson, Baraboo, WI: Circus World Museum, 2002, p. 371. Sipe & Dolman's Dog & Pony Show 1895-1896, George W. Sipe, J. S. Sipe and C. A. Dolman, proprietors. Sipe Dog & Pony shows, 1901-1904, George W. Sipe and J. S. Sipe, proprietors. Sipe, Dolman & Blake's Dog & Pony Show, 1897-1900, George W. Sipe, J. S. Sipe, C. A. Dolman and R. J. Blake, proprietors. Judy Griffin.

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89. Circus Photos, February 24, 2004 - I have aquired three circus photos which I would like more information. I am uncertain if they are related to each other. The first is an old building with "Half Century Circus Reviews By Chas. Bernard, Riverside Place, Savannah, Ga." printed in the upper left hand corner. Handwritten across the bottom is "Barn where Newton Brothers Circus & Indian Show wintered 1872." Another line of writing is unreadable. The other two are printed postcards with no printed information. One is a woman on stilts with a long plaid skirt covering her legs and poles. Her face is not made up but is very sad almost harsh looking. Hand written at the bottom is "stilt walker, Rerds (maybe Berds) show. The last is a woman standing beside a person or two, dressed as a giraffe. The costume includes a small head, long neck, and fabric covered body. Handwritten at the bottom is "girl clown". I would appreciate any information about these pictures. Thank you! Nancy Gillett, nangillett@worldnet.att.net. Respond to this message


88. Cream-colored horses, February 21, 2004 - Thanks for the opportunity to ask some people who might really know, about something that's been driving me nuts for years! I'm a founder of the International Champagne Horse Association, and also was active in getting cream-colored horses to be recognized by the AQHA. I've thus done some research into the origins of the champagne gene, but so far we can only trace it back to about 1900, in the USA.
     I've looked long and hard at the Royal Hanoverian Creams, which were partially bought out by a circus in England around 1920. Despite my best efforts, I cannot prove that these were anything but cream gene dilutes (not champagne).
     The cream gene causes Palomino, buckskin, cremello, perlino, smoky black and smoky cream. See http://horsecolor.com/dilutions/cream/
     The champagne gene causes similar but different dilutions. See http://www.ichregistry.com/colors.htm
     Now for the fun part. Here is some of the English history with the Creams:
     Palomino Horse magazine excerpt:
     "Hanoverian Royal Creams are sometimes mentioned in connection with Palominos, although any close association is now doubtful. The Hanoverian Royal Creams were brought to England from Prussia by George I in 1714, but it is generally believed they originated in Spain. (Although John Lawrence, writing in 1809, says these animals 'may not improbably be of Persian origin'). Some say Prussian nobles received such horses for services in the Spanish army."
     "Hanoverian Royal Creams were a coach breed, more buff or ivory than golden, with light but not white mane and tail. They had pink skins and eyes with white irises and red pupils, and often had coarse heads with Roman noses, so would not be admired by modern Palomino breeders."
     "From 1724 to 1921, with few exceptions, these horses were always used on State occasions, such as the opening of Parliament. They were bred at the royal stables at Hampton Court. They dwindled in numbers until in 1921 the remaining Royal Creams were sold, and no longer used by British royalty. Most of the animals went to circuses, but a few were purchased by Sir Hugh Garrard Tyrwhitt-Drake, who is trying to preserve the strain."
     I think this man had a circus, right?
     But look at this next tidbit. I have to get an exact date on it, but I think it's around 1860-1870. It's from a book about John Rarey, the legendary horse tamer from Ohio.
     "In the spring, the Howe and Cushing Great American Circus had roared into town . . . featuring a forty-horse hitch of matched cream-colored horses."
     So . . . do you have any info on these cream-colored horses that these 2 (?) circuses used, and what became of them? Thanks, Barb Kostelnik, Ohio, bak@one.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 26, 2004 - I Don't know about the American circus creams, but I can enlighten you about the English ones. In Sir Garrard Tyrwhitt-Drake's book, 'The English Circus and Fairground' published by Methuen & Co. Ltd. London in Dec 1946, he describes in detail the origins of the Royal Hanoverian cream horses. He reports that these horses were originally the royal horses of Spain in the fifteenth century. Some were given by Queen Isabella of Spain as a token of her royal favour to certain German mercenary leaders who had fought and won battles for her. These animals were taken to Germany where, apparently, they were appropriated by the then King of Hanover. As you go on to say in your original post, when George I of England came over from his kingdom of Hanover he brought with him the royal cream horses, which then became the royal horses of the kings of England. They were then used continuously as such until 1920, except for a break of 7 years. Their use was suspended during that period by King George III, in protest to the use by Napoleon of similar horses which he had captured in Hanover, for his state entry into Paris, their use in England being reinstated upon Napoleon's eventual defeat.
         Incidentally, a State team consisted of 8 stallions ridden postillion in 4 pairs with 8 men walking, one at the head of each horse. Because of Sir Garrard Tyrwhitt-Drake's experience of breeding cream ponies (he had a number in his circus), he was approached by the Crown Equerry in 1919 for advice on introducing fresh blood to the creams, which were suffering from centuries of inbreeding. In this he was successful, but then the decision was made to discontinue their use anyway. This was partly for economic reasons and partly because of the low popularity of all things German after the First World War. Nevertheless, when they were withdrawn from royal service Sir Garrard Tyrwhitt-Drake was presented with a yearling stallion and 2 yearling fillies in recognition of his assistance with the breeding programme. He added other specimens that he purchased from the royal household and established quite a stud. This he kept together until 1942, when he presented the remainder of it, 2 stallions and 2 mares, to Whipsnade Zoo Park in England. At the time these were the very last specimens of this old breed in the country. nickbrady@onetel.net.uk.


87. C. S. Primrose, February 2004 - I am looking for information on a C. S. Primrose. He lived in Oak Park IL. His wife's name was Clara or Clarisse. I did get some info from the Circus Museum in Wisconsin. I think he worked in various shows until mid 1950's? Any help would be greatly appreciated. His real name is Cready Smith born in Ohio. Thanks, Mike Smith, msbsmsbs@ij.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 08, 2004 - Would this be the same CS Primrose that started as an advance man for the "Gentry Bros. Dog and Poney Show" in the early 1900's? He later worked for Cole Bros ('40's). And is there any relation to CS Primrose, theatre booking agent from Chicago who put on musical comedies and potboilers in Opera Houses in the Midwest late 10's early twenties or is that a different CS Primrose? If you can enlighten me here I can look further. Natasha Gerson, nani@xs4all.nl.
    Reply: 18 March, 2005 - You have a lot of correct information on CS Primrose!! I have more information too. What else do you know? Please Help. I forgot I even posted something on this board. Please E mail me, Thanks, Mike, msbsmsbs@ij.net

    Reply: 26 November, 2006 - Still looking for information on CS Primrose (Cready Smith). Also EMAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED - mbcsmith@verizon.net. Thanks, Mike Smith


86. 1934 Typhoid Epidemic, RBBB, February 2004 - Detroit typhoid epidemic, 1934. We recently discovered that my husband's uncle was the victim of an outbreak of typhoid among the members of the Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus during the summer of 1934 in Detroit. I am trying to find out how many circus folk died during this epidemic. He was a "property man" and was also only 21 years old. WebsterSixwebs@aol.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 23, 2004 - Al Stencel, the president of CHS, informs me that you are seeking some information concerning the 1934 Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus typhoid epidemic. I have been researching the 1934 circus typhoid epidemic for over a decade and with the collaboration of Claude Bordez (co-author) writing a book on what happened.
         At present we are still searching for information relating to the RBBB incident. Sam Gumbertz, the general manager, minimized the actual typhoid incident and declared in the Billboard that some 50 people where feeling some discomfort because of the heat wave (around 106 F). Meanwhile, near the end of July over 77 people where sent to the Harper Hospital. Among the more severe case there is 7 confirmed victims.

    1-Sylvester Bossaro, (44) property man. Died August 1 in Detroit.
    2-Robert Webster, ( ) property man. Died August 6 in Detroit.
    3-George Craig, (28) train crew. Died August 12 in Detroit.
    4-Lewis Kent, (27) Died August 12 in Detroit.
    5-Frank Meeker, ( ) Died August 15 in Detroit.
    6-James Glecot, (24) Died August 18 in Detroit.
    7-Earl Michael,Jr. (23) ticket taker. Died August 18 in Detroit.

         The rumor on the show was that 149 people died. Alva Johnson,Jr. (84), who was working on RBBB in 1934, revealed those figures based on the fact that none returned. However, my investigation concluded that the reason so many employee failed to return to the circus was because anybody that handle food could not return. In researching the typhoid virus it is estimated that 10% of victims died (there was no antibiotics in 1934) and 5% of survivors where carriers.
         Please send me confirmation that your husban's uncle was named Robert Webster, otherwise I will add his name to an already sordid list. Also if you have any information concerning the circus typhoid incident I would appreciate that you share it with me. Meanwhile, any other things you would like to know concerning the 1934 RBBB circus typhoid epidemic just ask. Regards, Giovanni Iuliani, circusarchives@videotron.ca.

    After sending you a list of people who where victims of the typhoid epidemic I re-read your question:"How many people died during the typhoid epidemic?" The answer is not 7 but rather 8 because during the time it ran it's course (8 weeks) another person on the RBBB show was murdered.



85. Clyde Beatty Lion Farm, February 2004 - Do you have any information on the Clyde Beatty El Monte Lion Farm? Best to you, bnorgard@peoplepc.com. Respond to this message


84. Harry Quillin Photography, February 2004 - Greetings: Does any one know anything about a Harry Quillin? I inherited from a dear friend several photographs all stamped Quillin Photography, Los Angeles. They all depict circus scenes, from many countries, and very interesting views. Can't seem to discover what connection Mr. Quillin had with the circus industry. Thank you so much for any reply. Michael Farey, California, jayjjay23@aol.com. Respond to this message


83. Circus 1884 - Orton Anglo-American, February 2004 - I am writing a Chautauqua style oratory for our Museum in Greeley, Colorado about 10 circus men who died in a train fire in August 1884. My concept is to have an orator portray one of the men and entertain people with tales about life in the circus in 1884 and circus traditions of that time and "betcha' didn't know", kinds of information. To put their lives into context I would like to know more about the Orton Anglo American Circus of that time. Also, would there be any way to chart their route of that year and maybe see a poster of their circus? Thank you Nancy Lynch, Lead Interpreter, Greeley Museums, tym_ebay@@hotmail.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 22, 2004 - The Orton Anglo American Shows and Menagerie for 1884 started at the shows winterquarters just north of Detroit, Michigan. In May the played lower Michigan, in June were in Wisconsin, then worked their way to Minnesota going as far north as Duluth were they played the 4th of July. They were at West Union Iowa July 29, and Aug. 6 at Lamar, Missouri, then into Kansas at Girard Aug 8, Salina August 20, Junction City, Aug 18, Ellsworth Aug 22, McPherson Aug. 21, Hays Aug 23, (all Kansas). Sunday the 24 they had off, and appear in Longmont, Colorado Aug 27, Fort Collins Aug 28, Golden Aug 29. (There is an ad in the Longmont newspaper for the show, check the microfilm) Sept 15 Waterville, Kan,, Sept 17 Kirwin, Kan,,Sept 20 Washington, Kan., Oct 1 Pittsburgh, Kan., Oct. 4 Jonesboro, Ark, and a recorded date, but they may have not played it for Oct. 8 Grenada, Miss. The show reportedly wintered in Nevada, Missouri after closing in Jonesboro, Arkansas. I am unaware of any posters for that season. John Polacsek.
    Reply: February 24, 2004 - Where might I look to find Orton posters from that era and what their circus featured for acts? tymandnancy@unioncolony.net.
    Reply: February 25, 2004 - Thanks to John Polasek for your information on the itinerary for the Orton Circus in 1884. You had mentioned an ad in the Longmont Paper for the circus. I could definitely drive to Longmont and look that up. Bizarre that the fire occurred after midnight August 29, 1884 with ten men killed in the fire, numerous others seriously injured and incapacitated yet they played Golden that same day? Or, maybe they were scheduled to play that day and had to postpone a bit.?? Curious. Thank you ever so much. :-) Nancy Lynch, City of Greeley Museums.
    Reply: June 01, 2004 - I ran across this tonight about the Orton Circus. I would like a copy of that fire in Greeley, Colorado. About the 10 circus men who died in a train fire. Do you have a list? Hiram Orton died about that time and he was with his son Miles Orton who was in charge of the Orton Circus at that time. I am surprized to see that Miles Orton had names the circus Orton Anglo-American. I did write Greeley, CO for a death cert. on Hiram Orton 1884. Aug. 8, 1884 in a book said he died. From John Polacsek's route, that put the circus in Kansas about that time. Miles's brother, R. Z. Orton - Orton Brothers Circus wintered in Ortonville, Iowa. R. Z. Orton died in 1923 and his wife took over until 1931 when she died. I have been working on the Orton history, all I need now is where Hiram Orton died and was laid to rest. Do you know if Hiram Orton was on of those who died in the fire? Thank you, Ruth Orton Miller, RUTHERICA80@AOL.COM.
    Reply: August 12, 2004 - Regarding the death of Orton, we have very little on who died, just a few names mentioned in a newspaper article, and none were of an Orton. The following is a quote of the portion of the article that deals with that. Greeley Tribune, September 8, 1884, of August 29, 1884 event; "TEN MEN ROASTED ALIVE Ralph Meeker in the Denver News." "The names of the dead, as far as can be learned, are as follows; Alex McCleod, of Marinette, Wisconsin; John Kelley, of New York city; Silverthorn, and others called Andy, Frenchy, Frank, George, Smithee, and one they don't know anything about."
    Reply: August 12, 2004 - William L. Slout, Olympians of the Sawdust Circle, pp. 228-230. Has some Orton genealogy and details on the family. Says Hiram Orton was born 1805 and died August 2, 1883 of heart trouble at Norris, Michigan, age 72. Norris, MI was a suburb of Detroit, MI, I think. Others have his death as 1884. J. Griffin.
    Reply: November 11, 2004 - I just came across an ad for the Anglo-American Circus in a Lebanon (KY) newspaper of 11 Apr. 1883. The ad says the circus will be arriving in Lebanon, KY "on their own special trains" for a Tuesday, Apr. 24 show in Lebanon. The ad says that the show will then go to Greensburg, KY for a show on Wed., Apr. 25. (Though the C & O railroad had planned to go through Greensburg, KY on south, financial problems stopped track expansion at Greensburg.) According to the ad, "Miles Orton and Little Allie and Bernard are with us." If you would like a copy of the ad, I would be happy to forward it. Joe DeSpain, JYDES@cs.com.

    Reply: 01 February, 2007 - I initiated this conversation in 2004 and my thanks to everyone who responded. We had a great response to the 2004 version and are repeating it this August (2007). I would love to have an advertisement copy or poster, if any have access to Orton Anglo American Shows and Menagerie for 1884, or any Orton poster copies. My email has changed to Nancy.Lynch@greeleygov.com. Nancy Lynch, Exhibits Curator, City of Greeley Museums, 714 Eighth Street, Greeley, Colorado 80631, (970) 336-4184


82. van de Velde, February 2004 - I am urgently looking for people who in Chicago, Illinois, met/knew/ or were possibly taught by Albert van de Velde, Kathleen van de Velde, Elly Hartenberger - Van de Velde or Edy Hartenberger, originally from Berlin, and emigrated around 1950/52. Elly Hartenberger van de Velde was the only woman to ever have done a finger handstand on a bottle, with a cache. She married Edy Hartenberger, who was with his parents troupe the Orelly´s Ryle parterre with two poodles, who toured America between 27-37. Kathleen was also an acrobat, Albert van de Velde wrote and directed a lot of music still used in the manege today, such as the Polka Mazurka the Naughty Polka. Edy´s deathdate is unknown, Elly died in 1978, Albert in 1982 and Kathleen in 1994. Please mail me at nani@xs4all.nl. Natasha Gerson. Respond to this message
    Update: February 25, 2004 - Additional: I now now that Edy (Edmund) Hartenberger died in 1972 and is buried with his wife, and another family member, Theresia (died 1958) at St. Joseph Cemetary, River Grove, Illionois. Kathleen (Käthe/Katja´s ) maiden name was Bubowska. They were well acquainted with the Bradna family both in Europe and America (Fred Bradna, Ella Bradna, Beate Bradna). We would especially like to know what Kathleen´s last years, without her husband, were like, who saw to her burial arrangements and where her personal keepsakes, such as photo/friendship albums and letters went, in lieu of a biography. Old friends of the Van de Velde´s/ Hartenbergers, please reply!

    Reply: 13 Feb 2008 - Hi there, This is Sandy Hartenberger. When I go down to Ill to see my cousin I will look into this information. It will not be tomorrow but in a few week cause we have SNOW SNOW AND MORE SNOW and I will not travel that far in snow in case something happens. Sandy Hartenberger


81. M.L. Clark & Sons, February 14, 2004 - Does anyone have any information on M.L. Clark & Sons Combined Shows, The Greatest Performance of Acrobatic Wonders Ever Exhibited? I have a poster printed by the Riverside Printing Co. Milwaukee #2514 with this on it and many acrobatic wonders being displayed. I can't find any information on M. L. Clark & Sons, and would like to know what date this would have been published. Kris & Phil Coneybeer, coneybeer92@ earthlink.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: 18 September, 2005 - I have the same vintage poster of M.L. Cark and Sons combined show, The greatest performance of acrobatic wonders ever exhibited. I can not find anything on it either on this poster. I do not think there is a great value. Should you find anything please share it with me - I will do the same. Best regards. Yvon, Longueuil (near Montreal), Québec, Canada, Yvon Morissette, yvon.morissette@sympatico.ca

    Reply: 02 February, 2006 - I am related to the Clark Brothers Circus. It went by many names from about 1880 till 1929. Wiley C. Clark started the Clark Circus in Texas. Then he and his brother M.L. Clark were pardners. Then M.L. Clark went on his own. He and his two sons Lum and Willie wintered in Alexandria, LA. They toured mainly in the East, North East, and South. Please contact me if you would like to talk further about the Clark Circus. Thanks, Virginia Clark Brown, virginiabrown333@earthlink.net

    Reply: 24 February, 2007 - I have this poster but the name on mine is Walter l. Main. First time I saw 2 names on the same poster. Is this the same poster? [poster image not displayed here - webmaster] Mine is on canvas about 3’ by 4’, my guess is that they are very rare. Judy Butler, movalequip1@earthlink.net

    Reply: 25 Jun 2008 - Did you find anything? I have the same poster? Thanks for a response. Best, Janice

    Reply: 26 Jun 2008 - Several things to consider is the exact ownership and time frame. The M.L. Clark Circus was owned by M.L. Clark from 1883 to 1901. The name was then changed to M.L. Clark & Sons with M.L. Clark, & Lee Clark as the owners. This remained the same from 1902 until 1929. The show didn't go out in 1922 that I know of. Floyd and Howard King used the title of M.L. Clark & Great Sangor Circus in 1922. E.E. Coleman then took out the M.L. Clark & Sons Circus in 1930. He revised the same title again in 1943, 1945, and 1946.
          The year(s) this poster was used could be verified through the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, Wisconsin or the Ringling Museums in Sarasota, Florida who now offer the entire Howard Tibbals poster collection on line for your viewing pleasure. This poster is on the Ringling Museum display but offers no year of use. Is there a possibility that any of you have a date sheet attached stating what day they would be in that town?
          The poster was designed and then used as a "Stock" poster. That is why you have seen the same poster with different titles. Some of the more popular posters have been used by as many as six different titles that I know of. I hope this helps. Bob Cline

    Reply: 27 Jun 2008 - My apologies to all. I should have looked for this yesterday. The Riverside Printing Co. was based out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Their final year of operation was 1937. So while it is still not an exact year of use, it will be 1930 or earlier. Bob Cline


80. Ralph C. Leader, February 11, 2004 - Hello, I am looking for any information on Ralph C. Leader and his connection with the circus. I was told that he used to be in the circus as a young man. His mother died when he was 10, and his father took him and his brother (Morris Walton Leader - the Texas landscape artist) and joined the circus (likely between 1905 and 1915). I have heard he played the drums to being a ringmaster (after his voice changed - he had a really deep voice). I remember seeing a black and white photo of a ringmaster at the circus on his wall (possibly him?). When I was about 3 or 4, he took me to the Barnum and Bailey Circus in Houston, TX (1967-1968). I was curious but scared when he introduced me to a lady with snakes draped all over her, as his first wife. He seemed to know many people who worked at the circus. I would appreciate any information or help in finding fact to his presence in the circus. Thanks, Lisa Luther, hammie642002@yahoo.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: October 02, 2004 - I have read with interest your query on circus history.org concerning Ralph C Leader brother of Morris Walton Leader. I have been doing a little research on Walton Leader for a friend of mine who is a great-niece. Her grandmother was Cora Leader, sister to Clarence Percy, Morris Walton and Ralph C Leader who were children of Nathan Hammond Leader of Ohio and Marie Soule of Canada. I don't believe my friend had known about Ralph as she only mentioned her grandmother as having two brothers - Percy and Walton. However from the 1880 and 1900 censuses, I can see that Ralph is indeed the youngest of the Leader children. I cannot add too much to your query about Ralph and the circus except to tell you that in the 1920 census of Grayson Co, Texas, ED 85 page 14B immediately following J W Johnson in household 385, Ralph and his wife Florence can be found. Ralph's occupation is listed as "showman" - in the "carnival" industry. I don't know if you are related to Ralph Leader or just know him from your youth. Would you be willing to share your memories or anything else you may know about Ralph with me to pass on to his great-neice? Thank you, Ross Penny, Arizona, srpenny@cableaz.com.

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79. Great China Circus, February 10, 2004 - We are interested in information about The Great China Circus. Back in the early 1980's we responded to an ad and attended an auction in South Western Ontario for the complete sell out of all items from The Great China Circus. This circus was either revamping or in bankruptcy. At the time we purchased 4 of their beautifully embroidered jackets (brand new) but never used by their Motorcycle Performance Team. We also purchased a large Chinese Vase which they stated as being part of every show. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Carole A. Reimer. lilypad@oxford.net. Respond to this message


78. Five Flying Fishers, February 8, 2004 - We are interested in finding any information on an aerial(trapeze ) act called the Five Flying Fishers or Fischers connected with the Ringling Brothers circus before WWII; in particular a man named Henry Charles Franz (was apparently raised by one of the Ringling brothers). cheryl stietenroth huber, VA, rockingham.john@verizon.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: February 10, 2004 - The Flying Fishers, called the "Fisher Brothers" act in the early years, were an old time trapeze act dating back to the 1870s. Henry Franz joined the act in the 1890s and worked into the early 1900s. He was pictured with the Flying Fishers (a trio of performers) in the Ringling Bros. route book, Red Wagon Annual - A Route Book of the Ringling Brothers' World's Greatest Shows, Season 1898. His obituary, courtesy of the St Louis Post Dispatch, reads as follows: Henry Franz-9837 E. Broadway, Tues., Nov. 12, 1940, beloved husband of Adele Franz (nee Weiseman), dear father of Violet Harriet Franz, brother-in-law and uncle. Funeral from C. Hoffmeister Chapel, 7814 S. Broadway, Fri., Nov. 15, 1:30 p.m., to National Cemetery. Further inquiries to the historical museum in St Louis may yield more information about Henry after he left the Fishers' act. No doubt the city directories would have information. Steve Gossard, Curator of Circus Collections, Milner Library Special Collections, Illinois State University, Normal, IL 61790-8900.
    Reply: February 25, 2004 - A correction to the reply on the Fisher brothers: Adele Franz' maiden name was not Weiseman, but Weisheit. nani@xs4all.nl.
    Reply: April 18, 2004 - My great uncle Fred Miltimore (aka Fischer or Fisher) was with the Flying Fishers - apparently in 1870 or 1880. Do you have info on him? Thanks, Nell Boyd, nad@erols.com.

    Reply: 10 March, 2007 - I am also trying to find information on the Five Flying Fishers. I am wondering if you were ever successful in obtaining any information. I believe Fred Miltimore was somehow involved and he is a great uncle to me. If you have any information would you please share it with me. Thank you, Beverly Rheaume, California

    Reply: 12 Sep 2007 - I am a librarian in the special collections room of Milner Library at Illinois State University. I have pictures of the Flying Fishers from the 1936 era on. They were Bob, Frances his wife, Maxine & 2 others. They were at one time also called the Five Fearless Flyers. We have a great deal of Circus information in our collection donated primarily by Mr S O Braathen of Wisc & a few others. Please let me know if you need further assistance. Kauth, Nancy Marie. nmkauth@ilstu.edu


77. Peat Moss - John Strong and Sons Circus, February 7, 2004 - I am looking for information regarding "John Strong and Sons Circus". I am particularly interested in finding information or old photos of a clown known as "Peat Moss" also known by his real name as John Maguire. John is a very good friend of mine and I would like to present him with some documentation of his past work with the circus, and the whereabouts of any of his fellow performers. (Please don't forget "Arthur" the parrot who was part of his act, and also in the movie "Dr Dolittle" starring Rex Harrison.) Any replies would be appreciated. Replies directly to Joe MUST have "Re-Peat Moss" in the subject area. Thank you, Joe, Sul9J@aol.com. Respond to this message

    Reply: 14 Jul 2008 - John Maguire is my father I would love to hear all the stories that he can't remember. Please contact me Joe Maguire. Wakeboarder@gmail.com


76. Syracuse, NY Circus History, February 5, 2004 - I am trying to find locations in or near Syracuse, NY that are associated with Circus history. Any ideas? Theresa L. White, LeMoyne College, Syracuse, whitetl@lemoyne.edu. Respond to this message
    Reply: 26 December, 2005 - T. L. White - If you are still interested in Syracuse circus lots, I have them up to 1847, perhaps beyond, and will gladly share them with you. Stuart Thayer, sthayer@tattersall-design.com.


75. Circus Children, February 1, 2004 - I am seeking information about how children of the circus were educated . . . or were they? Also does any one know how stilt walkers got onto their stilts? Thanks, Providence LeGrand, chicky@acceleration.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: 20 September, 2005 - My parents owned a show when I was younger and my mom made it very clear from the start that during the school yr. my siblings and I were to be in school. So, every yr. my parents would take turns staying with us. During the summer we were all on the road. The show would come home in Sept. and leave in March so we really weren't away from one parent for that long. The other kids on the show were homeschooled by their parents. Our show wasn't big enough to have a traveling tutor. SSMINO0410@aol.com


74. James Leo Duffy - Circus Clown and Trick Rider, January 31, 2004 - I am seeking information on James Leo Duffy who spent most of his life as a clown in trick rider in various circuses. Here is what I know about his life: He started in the circus business about 1900. James left his home town of New Castle, Lawrence County, PA with the famous "Diamond Brothers" (they were musicians and performers) to make a name for themselves in vaudeville and the circus. James was an acrobat during his vaudeville days. He joined P.T. Barnum's circus (date unknown) and became a trick rider. James also doubled as a clown and trained dogs. He also trained a goose to follow him during circus parades. At one point in his career, James joined the Robinson's Circus. I have a photograph of him in front of a Robinson's wagon. In 1918, James was thrown by his horse during a performance and spent a year in a hospital. His days as a trick rider ended. Once he got out of the hospital, he played bit parts in silent movies. James and his trained goose had a movie role in a Mary Miles Minter film. The film may have been "The Little Clown" (1921)? James Duffy died in 1940 after suffering a fractured skull, hip injuries and lacerations. James was driving a horse-drawn wagon through the streets of Youngstown, Mahoning County, OH when the accident occured. He was advertising for "Bud the Tailor". His horse ran away and threw James to the curb. He later developed pneumonia and died in Youngstown Hospital. All of this info came from his obit. I would like to find out more about his career in the circus and movies. Where can I find info on him? Where can I find a company that sells Mary Miles Minter films (need VHS movies)? I can not seem to find anywhere on the internet that sells the movie, "The Little Clown". I would like to purchase it, because it may have James and his goose in the film. Thanks for any help you may be able to give me. From Jil Loewit Xenia, OH, loejil@hotmail.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: January 31, 2004 - You may already know this: a Google search turned up http://www.classicimages.com/1997/july97/minter.html, "Surviving Films of Mary Miles Minter, The Little Clown (1921-Paramount Realart). Good condition. Preserved in 16mm and 35mm. Library of Congress.


73. Tattoo Lady, January 30, 2004 - Edna Andrews Jongeleen was a tattoo lady in the Sells Floto Circus about 1926-28. We don't know if she had a 'stage name' or not. Her husband Peter Jongeleen (a Dutch man, tattoo artist) traveled with the circus and met Edna in Maine. We want to know more about their life during that time. If anyone can help, we would love to know! Thanks! kj68@comcast.net. Respond to this message


72. Percival John Douglas, January 30, 2004 - Looking for information about Percival John Douglas (known as PJ), aerialist with one leg; Flying Zenoz traveled with Sells Floto and Mulholland Shows was also known as the Ivory Carver wintered in Chicago; worked at Marshall Fields. Cherie, tchalg8@cox.net. Respond to this message


71. Circuses & Trains, Circus Routes, January 28, 2004 - I am wondering if circuses or carnivals in the US before 1925 owned their own trains or if they travelled on commerical trains. Also, what is the best source of information for circus and carnival routes? Ginger Guinn, NC, vholman@mindspring.com. Respond to this message


70. Circus and Sports, January 20, 2004 - I'm looking for historical connections between circus entertainment traditions, and sports traditions. For example, I know that modern gymnastics has deep roots in the exhibitions featured at circuses in the early nineteenth century. Are there other similar connections? Please help if you can. Thank you for your time. emousem@hotmail.com. Respond to this message

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69. Clown 1854 - Amelia Bennett, January 27, 2004 - I have been asked to protray a clown from the 1854 era. I live in Lawrence, Ks and we are celebrating our 150th anniverary. I'd like to make a costume that is as "period" correct as possible. I've found the name of Ameila Bennet (I think that's the correct name) mentioned but can't find a picture, drawing or even description of how she would have dressed. Anyone got any ideas? LRJW@srskansas.org. Respond to this message
    Reply: August 20, 2004 - Alive in Brazil, my family father is nortamerican, arrived in south america in 18??, in Brazil the family Circus arrived in 1886. They were in the Uruguay and in the Argentina. In the Argentina the Circus from the family Carlo is very famous(hermanos carlo), the English clown Frank Brown was part of the troupe in 1884, http://usuarios.lycos.es/historia_teatro/argentina.htm. We don't have information in the North America, the possibility from the change of name of the circus and the family when arrived in the south america, my relatives are few in Brazil, the history from the family is small, my father is teacher in the school of circus of the Brasil your name is Walter Carlo. http://www.funarte.gov.br/enc/equip_x.htm. I know that myself relatives spoke a lot about, Amelia, Jorge, and the name Lawrence, if can help me with more information I stayed thankfuled. Gustavo Guilherme Carlo.


68. Maurice Height, January 26, 2004 - I am trying to write a paper for my Circus Skills class about one of my ancestors, Maurice Height, who died, while performing for ringling brothers circus, around 1942, while unicycling across a tightrope. I was wondering if any body had any ideas about how I might go about researching this man. Thanks, Miranda, MIRANDA.PASCAL@purchase.edu. Respond to this message


67. Mumford Bros., January 25, 2004 - Does anyone have any info concerning the Mumford Bros.,they were a high-wire double trapeze act around the year of 1888 in the Muncie,Indiana area where they lived. Thanks, billmanalex93@aol.com. Respond to this message


66. Kanards - Keist, January 25, 2004 - I am interested in finding information and stories about Charles Keist and Edward Keist, known in the circus clown community as The Kanards(s). They were with the Shields Circus in 1885/86, with The Lemon Brother's in 1887, with W. H. Harris Nickelplate in 1888/92, with Barlow Brothers Minstrels in 1893, with Forepaugh and Sells Brother's Circus in 1894/97, and with Barnum and Bailey Circus in 1898/99. Thank you, Donald H. Bradshaw, Don62133@aol.com. Respond to this message

    Reply: 17 January, 2006 - The clowns were my grandfather's uncles. My name is Louise Primmer, Danville, Illinois, email lprimmer@pdnt.com. Thank you. Louise Primmer


65. Wild Animal Fantasy - Patricia Jameson, January 25, 2004 - I found the name of a person I have been looking for for 20 years. She is from England. I worked the same cage act she did after she left the circus. Wild Animal Fantasy. She was very kind to me and I always wanted to thank her, but lost track of her. Patricia Jameson is her name. oenuc42@yahoo.com. Respond to this message


64. Ringling Clowns, January 24, 2004 - I am working on a clown documentary and am searching for footage and/or photos of these three clowns at work together on the Ringling show - Patricia Bothun (Manuel at the time?) (1983-85), Chuck Sidlow (77-90?), and Frosty Little (69-90?). I would greatly appreciate any advice or leads! Thank you very much. letsmakethings@yahoo.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: July 10, 2004 - You might want to ask Tricia directly; she can be contacted through her website, www.mooseburger.com/. While it's not Ringling material, there are probably pictures of them together from Mooseburger Camp, the summer clown school she and Dale run up in Minnesota. I have access to a few CDs of Moose Camp photos and would be happy to look at them for you if you're interested in those. FYI, she was Patricia Manuel at the time she was with Ringling (RBBB 83-85, Disney's Circus Fantasy 86-88); she got married in 1991. oddharmonic@gmail.com.

    Reply: 27 April 2007 - Chuck Sidlow currently works with Dolly Jacobs and Circus Sarasota. Frosty is retired but is very close friends with Trish. She can connect you to him. Scott Robins, scott.robins@sbcglobal.net


63. Daniels, Kirby & Maryanne, January 24, 2004 - I am looking for information on Kirby Daniels and Maryanne (Medley) Daniels who may have worked in a circus that wintered in Longview, Texas around 1970 to 1978. kdmt55@xaranda.net. Respond to this message


62. Milton O. Williams, January 23, 2004 - I am trying to verify the years and jobs for a Milton O. Williams who worked in the Ringling Bros. Circus. It may have been between 1915 and 1935. His wife also was a Butterfly with Ringling. His wife was Ida Lenore (La Nore). Would love to hear from anyone who can help me find proof of this couple's association with the Ringling Bros. Circus. Thanks, Sandie Miller, bearmiller7388@earthlink.net. Respond to this message


61. Oneil, January 21, 2004 - I am searching for any information on the Oneil family. Jimmy Oneil, the flying Oneils, or the Oneil brothers. They were involved in circus acrobatic acts, clowns,and choreography. Possibly some wing walking, barnstorming and ariel acrobatics. If you have any knowledge you can email me directly at dlesowsky@msn.com. Thanks, Dennis. Respond to this message


60. Barnett Brothers Circus, January 20, 2004 - Hi, I'm looking for information on the Barnett Brothers Circus, as part of an upcoming museum exhibit on the subject. If anyone has information, resources or knows someone willing to loan some related objects, please contact me. Leslee Elliott - Rock Hill, SC. lesleeaelliott@hotmail.com. Respond to this message

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59. Johnny J. Jones Exposition, January 20, 2004 - I'm interested in finding the route (or part of the route) travelled by the Johnny J. Jones Exposition in the 1910s and 1920s (or later if earlier records can't seem to be found). Also pretty much interested with any info associated with the Johnny J. Jones Expo. As I'm still new to the discussion board, please email me at balancebeam@mindspring.com, Ginger Guinn, North Carolina. Respond to this message


58. Flying Gallaghers, January 19, 2004 - I am seeking information on the Flying Gallagher's who performed in the midwest during the late 1800's & early 1900's. Thanks, Ron Coleman, huskerfan001@mcleodusa.net. Respond to this message

    Reply: 28 April 2007 - I am also looking for information on the Flying Gallagers. My great grandfather is supose to have started them. I am from Omaha Neb. I live in KC MO now. My mothers mother was a Gallager. annabanana1960@hotmail.com

    Reply: 18 Oct 2007 - My email address has changed it is now huskerfan001@tconl.com. Please contact me with any information you may have. Thank You, Ron Coleman


57. Modoc, January 19, 2004 - Is the story of Modoc as reported in the recent book by Ralph Helfer, true? Are any parts of it true? I've tried to find information about Modoc (elephant) and haven't turned up anything. Thanks. RCKSB@aol.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: May 14, 2004 - There were quite a few elephants named Modoc. In fact Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus had three elephants with that name in the 1939 herd. Big Modoc, Little Modoc and Wallace Modoc. This last elephant is the one Helfer had, she was blind in one eye and usually referred to as One-Eyed Modoc. A harmless old gal but not much of a specimen. Modoc (Wallace Show Modoc): 1922 - Gollmar Bros. Circus, owned by American Circus Corp., Peru, IN, approx. age 4; 1923-24 John Robinson Circus; 1925-34 Hagenbeck-Wallace Circus; 1935-38 Al G. Barnes Circus; 1939 Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus; 1940-41 Surplus Ringling elephants at 1000 Oaks, CA; 1942-48 Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus; 1949-50 Biller Bros. Circus; 1951-62 Memphis, TN Zoo; 1963-69 Africa USA, Saugus, CA; 1971-72 Africa USA, Fillmore, CA; 1972 Anderson Animal Farm, Buellton, CA. Approx. age at death 55.

    The book shows a number of photos of a big, beautiful elephants performing in the spotlights at Madison Square Garden, this is Big Modoc. Unlikely Helfer ever set eyes on this elephant unless he bought a ticket to the show. In 1933 the Ringling Show celebrated their Golden Jubilee Season in which Modoc was occasionally painted gold and featured in the show's opening "Spec." The third elephant Little Modoc never grew very big and was originally imported to Ringling Bros. Circus in Baraboo, WI in 1897. I have seen a number of press items of her early career in Baraboo and appearantly Helfer did too and assumed this was his elephant. Both these elephants died in Sarasota Quarters. Big Modoc in 1957 at age 57 and Little Modoc in 1943 at age 50. BucklesW@tampabay.rr.com

    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - I, too have been looking for info on the elephant. Did you get any more responses on your inquiry? I noticed that the pics in the book showed an elephant without tusks and in his last performance they said they put the golden tusk covers on him. Love any info you have come up with, Sherrie B.
    Reply: 04 October, 2005 - I have recently read the story of Modoc, and am being plagued by the same questions. Have you managed to find out anything further? If so would love to hear about it. Kind regards, Craig Ludwig, Denmark
    Reply: 02 November, 2005 - Have you found out more about Modoc, and the truth about the story? I´ve read thay Kevin Costner is now filming MODOC, and I really looking forward to see the movie. Perhaps we can find out more about this story after the film has been shown. The interest ought to be bigger then. Anette

    Reply: 12 February, 2006 - What have you learned about Modoc? Did the Modoc of Ralph Helfer's book ever exist? Did Bram Gunterstein or someone else who lived that story exist? I looked up Bram Gunterstein in the interactive Social Security Death Index online. If a person died in 1975 and paid into social security his name should be there, showing date and place of death. Maybe circuses failed to pay into social security for their workers. Maybe Bram was a made-up name for Modoc's real trainer. Has anyone ever really checked out the Modoc of Helfer's story and verified it? I did see a mention online that there was a notice in the NY Times about Modoc's death July 17, 1975. I suppose we could look up the NY Times index and see what it actually said. There seem to be lots of maybe's about this whole story. I my heart I believe it is mainly true, but haven't found hard evidence yet. It is possible that Helfer took various stories of different elephants and rolled them up into a story about one elephant. Please let me know what you have learned. Dana

    Reply: 12 February, 2006 - Go back to the original question. It asks if the book is true? NO! Are parts of it True? Yes, very teeny parts of it are true. Buckles Woodcock provided the life history of the Modoc that Ralph Helfer owned in the first reply. Mr. Woodcock and his father trained and performed elephants over a span of almost eighty years. Both are highly regarded as the greatest elephant historians this country has ever known. I too have her recorded death as July 19, 1975. She would have been about 55 years old and owned by Ralph Helfer for three years. I also heard talk about the movie a year or so ago but haven't heard anything from the people that have elephants involved in studio work. Bob Cline

    Reply: 18 February, 2006 - This subject has been extensively discussed over at bucklesw.blogspot.com. Go to that web page, then check out the archives of November 2005 there, once there scroll down, and you will see numerous old photographs of "Big Modoc", The Dancing elephant of the Ringling Bros Show circa 1930, which is the most famous of all Modoc's. Rufus Ledbetter, apemonsterman@yahoo.com

    Reply: 03 October, 2006 - I hope some of you will take a look at my book, Ballet of the Elephants, which features Modoc in a starring role as a dancer in the Ringling Bros. 1942 show. She danced to Stravinsky's "Circus Polka," with choreography by Balanchine. The book is nonfiction, completely supported with extensive notes, published for young people by Roaring Brook press to great reviews, including one from the New York Times. I'd love it if circus historians and fans would take a look at it. Thanks so much, leda schubert, www.ledaschubert.com

    Reply: 11 Sep 2007 - I just finished the book, and am irritated that it is identified as "nonfiction." One does not even have to do research (although I did try, and found nothing to verify key facts) to realize that most of the details of this book are made up. I read the book to learn more about the intelligence and capabilities of elephants, but now feel I wasted my time hoping to find those things in "Modoc." Has anyone challenged Ralph Helfer about what he states as 'facts' in this book?! sherrylawrence@sbcglobal.net

    Reply: 16 Jul 2008 - I am so sad to think this may not be all true I enjoyed it as we discussed on the tele. I will continue to research and will keep you posted. Dr woods ordered more blood work and needs to see me on Friday. Gerry


56. UNUS (Franz Furtner), January 17, 2004 - Looking for information about UNUS, aka Franz Furtner. Handbalancer with the Ringling Show 1950. Known for doing the one finger stand. bossriggs@comcast.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: March 19, 2004 - Franz Furtner was born in Gainfarn, Austria in 1909, and married his wife Valentina in Vienna in 1935, just before coming to America. I think she is still alive, possibly living in Sarasota? Their daughter Victoria (artist's name La Toia) later starred on the vertical cord, a premier to the now standard routine ending in a multiple wrist or neck spin. Natasha Gerson, nani@xs4all.nl.
    Reply: August 06, 2004 - Unus was one of the top-billed performers of Ringling Bros. Barnum Bailey circus. An article with photos appears in an issue of Life magazine from the late 40's or early 50's. He retired from circus life in the early to mid 50's. Many remember his ability to stand on one finger, extended from a gloved hand... and then, with theatrical gestures and back on his feet, slowly remove the glove to the amazement of all who were sure, a few minutes earlier, that he had some piece of wood or other artifical aid to enable him to do his finger-stand. [see message 171]


55. Cooper family, January 12, 2004 - I was trying to find information of the Cooper family in the circus around 1930. Five brothers, and their dad was a lion tamer. Relative to Emmet Kelly. kimberly199@hotmail.com. Respond to this message


54. Edward Delevan Andrus, "Farmer Andrus" horse tamer, January 11, 2004 - Edward Delevan Andrus was a horse tamer of wild man-eating horses during the latter years of the 1800's. He went by the name of "Farmer Andrus." Edward Delevan Andrus was from Michigan, although he lived many other places. He supposedly knew Buffalo Bill personally, and Annie Oakley supposedly worked for him for a time. It is told that he was with a circus in California called the Selz Flota Circus (not sure of pronunciation or spelling). He indeed became a very famous horse tamer of his day. He performed for the Governor General in Canada, at the Madison Square Gardens (26th and 27th Street, NY, NY), and with the Ringling Brothers Circus as a horse tamer. He would tame wild, vicious, "man-eating" horses before an audience, and would have the horse calmly walking around the ring by the end of the act; so gentle a lady could drive or ride it. I have a copy of an actual newspaper advertisement of one of his exhibitions. I have not been able to find anything about him on the internet and am hoping someone in your circle might have heard of him or know where I might find info. Thank you. Kathy, klakf@wmconnect.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: January 12, 2004 - Selz Flota is probably Sells Floto.
    Reply: January 13, 2004 - There were no entries for this name, or variations thereon (such as Edward Delavan), in the CWM name finding index. Circuses have always hired trainers to break acts, but they're not always documented in relation to their preparatory activity in circus annals. The style of his act, with an indeterminate length of presentation, does not appear to be the type of thing that would be presented in a circus ring. Perhaps he was with Sells-Floto during the two years of Buffalo Bill's presence, 1914-1915. The Gordon Carver articles in Bandwagon about those seasons could be checked. Suggest doing a search in George C. D. Odell's Annals of the New York Stage and also the Proper Name Index to the New York Times. If he was a noted stage presenter, he'll turn up in one of those items. Fred Dahlinger, Jr., Director of Historic Resources and Facilities, Circus World Museum.


53. Biller Bros. Circus, January 8, 2004 - Can anybody tell me if there ever was a story in the "Bandwagon" concerning the Biller Bros. Circus and the date that it was published? Regards, Larry Crocker, Bigtop180@webtv.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: January 10, 2004 - You may already know this: Biller Bros. Circus existed from 1949-1951, Arthur Sturmack, proprietor. Was listed as Howe's Famous Hippodrome Circus in 1952. Directory of American Circuses 1793-2000, Robert L. Parkinson, Baraboo, WI: Circus World Museum, 2002, pp. 55, 207.
    Reply: January 13, 2004 - Bandwagon had two articles on this circus. Biller Bros. 1949-50, Pfening, Fred Jr., 33 #5 (Sep-Oct) 1989 p. 4; Biller Bros. 1951-52, Pfening, Fred Jr. 33 #6 (Nov-Dec) 1989 p.54. Back issues are available from Bandwagon Back Issues, 2515 Dorset Rd., Columbus, OH 43221.
    Update: January 18, 2004 - I did recieve the info I was looking for and found it listed among the articles on the web page. I have the copies that the articles on Biller Bros. Circus are in and will read them again. That show played here in New Bedford June 1st 1949 and was a real fine circus. Thanks again, Larry Crocker.

    Reply: 22 Feb 2008 - I have several photos of 1950 Biller Brothers Circus trucks, unloading, setting up, bystanders. If interested contact me. Sally Byers, TRAVELINGOKIES@aol.com


52. Smith Brother's Circus, January 2, 2004 - I am looking for any information, pictures, etc. on the Smith Brother's Circus. I believe they were in existance in the early 1900's. pjkeller@adelphia.net. Respond to this message
    Reply: January 5, 2004 - Found in the Directory of American Circuses 1793-2000, Robert L. Parkinson, Baraboo, WI: Circus World Museum, 2002, p. 373. Smith Bros. Circus, 1908-1909, 1923, 1960. Smith Bros. Circus, Harry Smith, Otto Smith, Roy Smith, proprietors, 1908-1909.
    Reply: April 06, 2004 - I am wondering how I would find the history on the Smith Bros. They may be be my great uncles. The time would have been right. DeAnne, MissDee53@aol.com.


51. Thomas Cheshire Tagg, January 2, 2004 - If anybody can help, I am looking for some information on a Thomas Cheshire Tagg who was a stud groomer, and then a ringmaster for Bertrum Mills circus. He also was in a film, I found a picture of him in an old newspaper with no date. John Davis, jbhotspurs@aol.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: January 13, 2004 - This question should be directed to the Circus Friends Association of Great Britain, as with all other British circus inquiries. Dr. John Turner's two volumes of Victorian Arena offer some undocumented information on 19th century British performers and owners, and Toole-Stott's six volume bibliography offers some leads, but the best prospects for success are to contact the British CFA. Their publication, King Pole, often has articles of considerable value on British circus topics in the 20th century. Fred Dahlinger, Jr., Director of Historic Resources and Facilities, Circus World Museum.

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