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500. The Flying Cressells, 21 March, 2005 - Calvin Whyte was a performer with the acrobatic act The Flying Cressells in the mid to late 1930s. Calvin Whyte was his stage name. I have been trying to obtain information about the circus and the group he performed with. Unfortunately, he passed away March 8, 2005. I have recorded some information about his circus years but I did not get the name of the circus he was with. He did mention that he had to go to Chicago to join the circus and he talked a lot about performing in the midwest. If there is anyone out there who can give me any information about The Flying Cressells or the circus they were with please let me know. Thank you very much. Deborah Huntzinger-Steffe, Pennsylvania, debedoodles@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 24 March, 2005 - Calvin Huntzinger was his real name. I'm sorry that I didn't metion it. Thank you Deborah Huntzinger-Steffe.

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499. J.D. Tarver, Texas Giant, 17 March, 2005 - Greetings from the Tucumcari Historical Museum in Tucumcari New Mexico! I am the curator of the museum and have just uncovered a very large metal ring with J.D. Tarver - Texas Giant. Can you please forward any information on this item. Best regards and many thanks, Bruce W. Nutt, Curator, Tucumcari Historical Museum, brucen@cityoftucumcari.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 21 March, 2005 - A easy way of obtaining information is to go through the ones already answered. Insofar as the Tarver Texas Giant is concerned go to Q. 259 for your answer. Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 31 May, 2005 - I have finally located this website. I have been trying to obtain information about Jack Tarver. A friend of mine who is now 87 worked with the circus for about five months when it was in southern Ontario around 1930. Jack took my friend under his wing for those few months, but told him to return to his home in Picton, Ontario when the circus was crossing over to Michigan. He gave my friend one of his rings, and has it to this day. He has some wonderful stories about Jack and circus life. I would really appreciate finding out a bit more about Jack Tarver, i.e., date of birth, place of birth, date of death, etc. and wonder if he ever married. At the time my friend was with him, Jack did not have children of his own, and told Raymond that he felt like Raymond was his own son but that Raymond should return to his mother. Imagine the life style, that a 13-year-old could actually join the circus. Never happen today! Hope this helps you out re the large ring. Now we know there are two of them out there! JBurr@cawlsp.com
    Reply: 20 September, 2005 - I also found one of the Texas Giant rings in an old house we were cleaning out. That makes 4 of them so far. baxter_716@yahoo.com
    Reply: 9 October, 2005 - I have one of the rings, also - so now there are 5. hawaiiskier@hotmail.com

    Reply: 21 January, 2006 - I found one probably 15-20 yrs ago with a metal detector at the Stanton Co. Fairgounds here in NE. I still have it in my possesion and is in excellent condition. I would say it is made out of zinc or pot-metal. Edgar Leu, edgarlleu@msn.com


498. Saile Bros. Circus, 17 March, 2005 - Was wondering if there was any information about a traveling circus called Saile Bros. Circus Chief Rolling Cloud Wild West. Richard Osting worked with the circus for two summers in 1933 and 1934 in the Ohio, Indiana, Illnois, and surrounding areas. Is there any information about this circus that you know of? Thank you so much! Cinzia, irene@mrsfisher.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 28 March, 2005 - Perhaps you mean Seal Bros., owned by Bud Anderson? There's an oral history provided by Bud's son, Norman Anderson, that covers it to some degree, in "Bandwagon" Jan-Feb 1996. Sadly, Luke passed away about a year ago, or you could have called him, he had a good memory. There would also be coverage in 1934 issues of "Billboard" and also the "White Tops." A second, less likely candidate, would be George Engesser's Schell Bros. motorized troupe. Fred Dahlinger


497. Alf Roselle, Man in the Moon Act, 17 March, 2005 - Alf Roselle was an aerialist who did a Man in the Moon Act. Born in Britain he first went to the USA in 1915. He appeared in Hanneford Circus, Ringling Circus and Ringling, Barnum & Bailey Circus. I believe he died doing his act about 1930. Any information would be really helpful. Thank you. dunelm_jackson44@yahoo.co.uk. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 18 March, 2005 - This is a strange one, because as far as I know, but anyone please correct me if I am wrong but the only Rosello (not Roselle) who performed 'Man in the Moon' at B& B and Hanneford that I know of was not named Alf and was not British, but Swiss, from Winterthür, real name Fridi Kotsis. He had an accident in Madison Square Gardens in 1939 (MSG in the 40s seemed jinxed where aerialists are concerned) not during the hoop perch act itself, in which he stood on his head, but starting his descent on his 60 ft rope, when his mitt broke and the ropeburn caused him to release. Kotsis at the time was 35, and I don't think he actually died in the accident, although it was the end of his circus carrer, so the only possibility to coincide with your Man in the Moon is that Kotsis was already a replacement, and the second Rosello to fall off the moon and B&B. A lunar mystery! Anyone have any ideas? Natasha Gerson


496. Jess Willard, 17 March, 2005 - Circus Historians- Does anybody have any information on Jess Willard touring with the Buffalo Bill Wild West show in 1917? Any help would be greatly appreciated: pollockwk@mindsping.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 22 March, 2005 - Bob Taber wrote an article about this show for White Tops. It's on pages 3-8 of the March-April 1965 issue. Contact the Circus Fans Association via their website and perhaps they can provide a copy of a back issue. The show had formerly been the Miller Bros. 101 Ranch Wild West. Fred Dahlinger


495. Jack Dempsey, 17 March, 2005 - Do any of you circus historians know if Jack Dempsey the boxer appeared with the Cole Bros circus in the Houston in 1930? Any help would be appreciated. BP, william.k.pollock@lmco.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 19 March, 2005 - There is a Cole Brothers poster currently for sale on Ebay, The circus still exists, BUT the website has no contact information. www.colebroscircus.com, Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
    Reply: 22 March, 2005 - Boy, I hate to get this started but there have been several Cole Bros Circuses. The one that was out in 1930 is not the same one that Jack Dempsey was later with and that one was not the same one that exists today. This must be the single most confusing part of circus history to the uninitiated. There are constantly pieces on eBay with some form of the Cole title and which the seller believes to be a different show. So to answer your question, Jack was with a Cole Bros Circus but this didn't take place until 1941. The Cole Bros Circus of today is the former Clyde Beatty Circus, which for a number of years used the Clyde Beatty-Cole Bros Circus Combined Circus title and is not to be confused with the show Dempsey was with and which sometimes between 1935 and 1938 called itself Cole Bros-Clyde Beatty Circus. The Beatty show, by the way, was originally Russell Bros Circus. Surely you're confused by now. Just sign me Old Whitey (Billcar Whitey, not Cookhouse Whitey).
    Reply: 22 March, 2005 - Joe Bradbury wrote a series of articles about the railroad circuses operated by Floyd and Howard King in the 1920s, through 1930. Cole Bros. was one of them, actually, the last of them, 1929-1930. Check the article index on this website, locate the relevant coverage, and then order a back copy. Joe's coverage was usually very thorough and you'll find your answer therein. Dempsey was a roustabout on "Doc" Allman's carnival about 1914, before he ever gained any public attention. Fred Dahlinger.
    Reply: 23 March, 2005 - I dont know if this is of any use, but I read where Jack Dempsey appeared with the Sells-Floto circus tour for a while, but I think that was in the 1920's. apemonsterman@yahoo.com
    Reply: 28 March, 2005 - Recently Buckles Woodcock circulated a photograph that he dated as Cole Bros., 1941. That season was covered by another Bradbury article in "Bandwagon." Someone out there should have the routes to check for Houston. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 29 March, 2005 - The 1930 Cole Bros. route does not show them playing a date in Houston. Ted Bowman Route Collection


494. John Larie, 'Show Jack', 17 March, 2005 - John Larie was a trombone player from Iowa who joined the Circus (not known if it is Ringling or Barnum & Bailey) and went to Michigan, (probably Lansing) in the early 1900's, (Before 1907). He disappeared in 1921-1922 in Michigan and was never seen again. I am fairly certain his childhood was spent in Iowa along the Mississippi River. In the circus he was known as "Show Jack". Any information could perhaps give me a lead to follow. Thank you for your help. jmwnorth@rconnect.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


493. Will Fussner, Spiral Walk, 17 March, 2005 - I'm looking for information about Will Fussner. He was in the circus, they called him "The Great Fussner" the act was The Spiral Walk. I have a picture from 1911 but can not find any more information. Any information would be great. Thank you, Tina Fussner, Tina.Fussner@IFLYATA.COM. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 18 March, 2005 - The Spiral Walk was a huge high spiral contraption from which The Great Fussner would ascent and descend walking on a ball. The photo you have must be an early one. The Spiral got bigger and bigger over the years. The act was performed mostly at State Fairs, Midways, Exhibitions, holiday parks and the like. "His act, entirely original, features the ascent on a thin, ribbonlike steel path, propelling a globe. Reaching the top, the daredevil crosses onto a huge seesaw on which he teeters precariously back and forth'. Mentions of this act start around 1910 and progress, suprisingly, into the 50's such as when The Great Fussner, according to an advertisement, was performing daily for a week in Ceder Point, Ohio in July of 1952 'Amidst a shower of fireworks'. He must have been an amazing 67 years of age then! For Will Fussner according to his WW1 draft card, was born on the 29th of March 1885, hailing from Evansville, Vanderburgh Indiana. This draft card gives 'public entertainer' as an occupation. The 1930 census, though, says 'actor' though this is often the case for all kinds of performers also in circus and vaudeville. According to the Indiana Marriage Register, Will Fussner was married very briefly (1910) to Anna Brown Allison, and then three years later, in 1913, to Lora Oskins. They had a daughter, June Violet, on nov 22, 1919, who might well still be alive. Will Fussner died in 1970, last residence Chandler, Warrick, Indiana, aged 85. Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 15 April, 2005 - I am the grandson of the Great Fussner. I, too, have been looking for information and photos (especially) of him. I have some personal information that isn't mentioned here. My father was William Oskins Fussner. He was known as Bill. He is dead. He has a half brother (a different mother) named Don Fussner. He is alive and lives in Boonville. I would love photos of his performance. I have one that was in a local paper. I also have the obituary from his death. I would love to communicate with anyone who knows about him. Gary, bgfussner@aol.com

    Reply: 28 Jun 2008 - I don't know if you already have this information or not, but I found a "Homecoming" program from Ravenna, Ohio, which shows that the "Great Fussner" performed at the homecoming in 1909. According to the program, he performed twice on Tuesday, Aug. 24, 1909 - first at 1 p.m. and then at 10 p.m. His 1 p.m. performance is described as "Introduction of the absolute apex of all athletic achievements - The Great Fussner, Spiral Tower Wonder." The 10 p.m. listing in the program states, "Illumination of the Great Spiral Tower, and exhibition of the fearless, famous and original equilibrist, The Great Fussner." According to the program, he also performed twice daily on Wednesday and Thursday of that same week at the homecoming. Unfortunately the program contains no photos, but judging from all the hyperbole in the program, his act was really something to see. Hope that this helps add to your understanding of this performer. Good luck with your research. MaryLMcClure@aol.com


492. Iron Jaw Man, 17 March, 2005 - Seeking information on Edith and Ansel Smith - Iron Jaw Man and aerialist. iamfacook@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 01 January, 2007 - I would also like to find out more. I understand he performed in Australia, but I do no know when. They were a husband and wife team correct? but there was an accident. O.Greeves, sgreeves@bigpond.net.au


491. Michigan Circus History, 15 March, 2005 - My mother in-law has a photo of her grandmother when she and her sister were in a circus. There is no markings to tell us which circus they were a part of. They lived in Bay City, Michigan. My mother in-law seems to think the circus was in that area, probably around 1910. The grandmother would have been 15 or 16 then, her sister would have been 19 or 20. I have not been able to locate either of them in the 1910 census. Of course if the circus traveled, they may have missed the census all together. Where can I look for Circus history in Michigan? Would any of them have records anywhere that can be checked? Thank you for your help. Patti, mcduff3812@comcast.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 17 March, 2005 - A local Michigan circus (St. Josephs) at the time was Hargreaves Circus a modest circus mostly performing in market halls and the like. It was not a tent show. Also travelling in Michegan in those years, apart from the obious megacircuses (B&B and Ringlings) were Wallace's Circus, John Robinson's, Robinson Lake, The Greater London Circus and Freed and Perrine's (?). There were also several season Shrine circus shows, that often combined with local gymnastic societies performing, so a picture of a person in the circus isn't sure to mean she actually travelled with a circus. Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 18 March, 2005 - The Hargreaves Circus was not based in Michigan, rather Thomas Hargreaves with his mud and Railroad Circus was out of Chester, Pa. from 1900 - 1910. The only show to come out of Bay City, Michigan from 1900-1915 was the Robert & Adams New Century Show, a small tent show that was organized in 1901 by Gertie Adams, James Adams, and F. L. Roberts, residents of Bay City. Their 1st Rule of the Show was that - All persons must furnish wardrobe, rigging and everything necessary for their act or acts. Ted Bowman Route Collection
    Reply: 19 March, 2005 - Thanks Ted Bowman for setting me straight on Hargreaves. Strange because a write up in the St. Joseph paper says 'proud of the local efforts' of the performance of Hargreaves in the Catherine Hall. Maybe a combined show. Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 04 September, 2005 - My great grandfather, George L. Whitney had the Whitney Family Circus which was based in Imlay City, Michigan and wintered in Florida. This was a large travelling circus and would have definitely been in that area, although the dates may have been much earlier, circa 1890's. I don't know whether this information may be of help. Kenton Elliott

    Reply: 15 February, 2007 - Kenton, I would like to ask you some questions about the Whitney show. Please contact me at afdj@g2a.net. Thank you. Fred Dahlinger


490. R.O.J. 48 The Lion Tamers, 15 March, 2005 - I bought an interesting charm bracelet at an antique store that has eight unique charms most of which are lion heads and the rest looking like some kind of jester. All the charms have inscriptions of "R.O.J. 48 The Lion Tamers". All charms have a different year from 1970 through 1980. One charm has inscribed "John W. Bartels Director 1977." The charms are very unique and have either emerald eyes or ruby eyes. Does anyone know about this group? nsgrasse@sbcglobal.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 17 March, 2005 - This hasn't to do with circus directly, maybe indirectly, because it's a Shrine Bracelet. ROJ stands for Royal Order of Jesters, a fun order that was contrived by some Shriners on a boat trip to Hawaii in 1911. Little else but the motto 'Mirth is King' is known. The link with circus and Lion Tamers might be that it was worn and passed on by members who entered the lion or tiger cage during Shrine Circus performances. Its weird that it ended up in an antique shop. A shame. Possibly the current Order of Jester Director, Dennis R. Schueler can tell you who mr. Bartels was. He might tell you what the bracelet was about, then again, being a mason, he might not! His email is DRSROJ@aol.com.

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489. Emmett Kelly clown, 13 March, 2005 - I have recently came about a 5 foot 5 inch Emmett Kelly clown. I have become so interested in his history and would love to know anything about him. What I can tell you about this guy is that he has ceramic hands and face, he sits wonderfully in a chair, very life like. The people that own him right now had purchased him from an auction in 1995. Before them a lady purchased him from a second hand shop in Ripon Wisconsin back in 1981. Someone thought he was an old Circus Museum Clown since there is one in Baraboo Wisconsin. I have wonderful pictures and would love to share them with you. Any information would be great appreciated. Thanx, Dena Gates, jdcgates@insightbb.com, Rockford, Illinois. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


488. Equestriennes, 11 March, 2005 - I once saw two photographs, one of a woman riding sidesaddle and driving a horse in front of her mount, both doing spanish walk, and another of a woman riding sidesaddle and her horse was on his hind legs and they were jumping rope. The woman who had them had cut them out of "an old french book" that she threw away the rest of. I was wondering if anyone might know where I could find a book that contained these photos? Thanks so much! Callie Fulmer, Lovettsville, VA, cfulmer@megapipe.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 23 March, 2005 - The book in question may have been Hughes Le Roux, Les Jeux Du Cirque et La Vie Foraine, with illustrations by Jules Garnier (1889). It's a grand publication with many fine engravings. There is also the two-volume Henri Thetard, La Merveillieuse Histoire du Cirque, (1947), which is filled with photographs. Fred Dahlinger


487. Scrapbook 1903, 11 March, 2005 - I have recently acquired a scrapbook dated 1903 of what I think is the Ringling Bros. circus. It has Ringling Bros menus and other papers in the front, then about 30 portrait photos of the circus performers. I am mesmerized by the photos and would like to identify the people in them. One group has a name written above the photo, it says St leone family. Do you know where I can go to find out who the others are? Thank you, Brigitte, daguerre@pacbell.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 15 March, 2005 - What a wonderful find, this scrapbook! Fred Bradna's biography happens to start in 1903, but of course his accounts start with Barnum and Bailey's before it merged with Ringlings, so a different circus all together. But to get an idea of the lives of these performers at the time his story as told to Hartnell Spence would be a good idea. Some of the performers must have been European, if you think there are German, French, Czech, Dutch, Danish, Swedish etc as well as Maroccan or Lebanese-Syrian performers in there I would be very interested. I would love to see some scans! All the best, Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 15 March, 2005 - Ringling Bros menus commemorate special occasions such as Fourth of July. As for "other papers" it fails to describe there contents. A Route Book of the 1903 tour of Ringling Bros. Circus will supply the name's of performers and staff. A souvenir program will have pictures of acts and a Herald will also help in your quest. Someone familiar with circus performers at the turn of the century can identify some of them in your collection of portrait photos. Meanwhile, you can scan your pictures or make copies so that they be examined. As to your mention of St Leone. You cold have mistaken ('e) for ('s). The St Leon's came from Australia. Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 17 March, 2005 - Some details about Ringling in 1903: The train was 85 compartments. The show was 'Jerusalem and the Crusades'. It was an interesting year because the circus war on with Barnum and Baily's (who had been abroad in the years before while Ringlings had expanded) and with Buffalo Bills WW was complete, and included running each others advance men of the road, spying, shootings and accusations of sabotage. The Ringling program, in which in total some 800 performers took place, included apart from the St. Leon family amongst many others the Nelson family, the German Dollard troupe, the Flying Fishers, Potters, Frank Smith, Dollie Julien, the Hobsons, John and Mike Rooney, Reno Mc. Cree, the latter being bareback riders, the Alvo Troupe and Fortune Brothers, Royal's 60 liberty horses, the Bedini's (still in circus today) Gilbert Eldred, the Six Glinseretti's, Colini-Cairon Troupe, the Melvo's, La Hirt and Mile La Salto (the original). Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 16 June, 2005 - Hi from Australia. Actually it is the St Leon family (no "e"). We were one of the first circuses in Australia (1851). That was my great uncle Gus and his children, Daisy, Cass, Syl, Reg and Phil and adopted girls May and Gertie. I am not sure of what the precise photo is but it could contain any of the family. They arrived in San Francisco in 1901 and it was 1908 before all the family got back to Australia. They spent two seasons with Ringlings 1902-3, went down to Mexico with another circus, toured Central America with their own show. Gus, Phil, Gertie and May came back to Australia in 1905 but the others stayed in the US a few more years, appearing on vaudeville (on same bill as Al Jolson) and with Norris & Rowe, 1908. Daisy married a gymnast Alfred Honey at Pahuca, Mexico 1904. Returning to Australia, the family re-established their own circus, Gus St Leon Great United Circus. Gus's son Phil, went back to the US in 1916 to join May Wirth and her troupe. Phil married May's step-sister, Stella Wirth Martin, and took the name of "Wirth" for professional purposes. he died at Meriden CT on the lot of Hunt Bros Circus in 1958. Daisy and Alfred Honey returned to the US in 1926 with their large family, as an acrobatic troupe. They played vaude through the 1930s and 1940s. Some of the Honeys were still active in entertainment in the USA as late as the 50s and 60s. If you want further information or pics, let me know. I wrote an article about the Gus St leon family in the US for Bandwagon some years ago, I forget the exact date. Regards, Mark St Leon


486. Barnum & Bailey, UK, 11 March, 2005 - Where's the best source of information about Barnum and Bailey tours around the UK c 1890 - 1910? Thanks for your help. Kevin Bailey, bailey@harpswood.freeserve.co.uk. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 13 March, 2005 - A search of CHS Message Board reveal that two questions (and reply) concerning the Barnum & Bailey UK tour (1897-1902) will provide you with some information (see Q. 417 and 227). The following Bandwagon articles gives extensive coverage on the subject:
    Barnum & Bailey European Show Train (Richard Conover) Mar-Apr 1959
    B & B in Austria 1902 (Jul-Aug) 1960
    Barnum and Bailey: Transporting the GSOE 1898 Tour of England (Charles Jones) Mar-Apr 1968
    Stock Certificates (Barnum & Bailey Ltd. (John Lentz)
    Nov-Dec 1979 The Influence of the Circus on European Armys (Jul-Aug) 2003
    Also on the UK the topic Barnum and Bailey European tour (1898-1902) is on the forum. Giovanni Iuliani


485. Captain Jimmie Jamison, High Diver, 10 March, 2005 - I am looking for info on Captain Jimmie Jamison, a High Diver who was with Ringling in the 30's and then again in the 50's. He would dive off a 120' high tower into 6' of water. Add to this that the tank has been ignited with Gasoline on the top! He may have gone to Cuba with Ringling in 1953-54, so he may have worked for Art Concello? He also conducted and organized various water carnival events and performed with Carneys, and at various water oriented amusement parks, perhaps Ponchartrain Beach in Louisiana? He may have provided a budget alternative to Billy Rose's Aquacade at the 1939-40 New York World's Fair, and also possibly Coney Island after that. Any personal reminiscences? I am looking on behalf of his son, since a lot of his promo material was lost to thievery after Captain Jimmie's Death in the early 60's. He died in Europe in the 60's after successfully completing a dive, but sustaining an injury. He was 60+ at the time. If any pix could be found, please refer me to the sources. This was a really unique act, I would guess performed on the Midway before the show, or in a parking lot in the Auditorium era? Any help would be appreciated. R.T. Carr Stanford, California, rtcarr@stanford.edu. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 07 August, 2005 - I remember seeing him perform in Englewood, CO about 1953. I was a little kid but I seem to remember it was in a new shopping center parking lot. It may have been part of a birthday celebration of the city. I'm sure it was advertised in the Englewood newspaper at that time as he was the star attraction and appeared about noon. Sorry my memory isn't better but it was a long time ago. For years after when I went swimming I pretended I was Captain Jimmy altho it was only of the edge of the pool. I would suggest you try the Englewood, Colorado historical society or maybe their newspaper. Good luck. Bpmccaffrey@aol.com

    Reply: 05 June, 2006 - Dear BPMcafrey, Thanks so much for the reminiscence. It was a great image for the family to hear about you on the side of the pool! FYI An unnamed anonymous source connected Jimmy's son with most of the contents of the stripped trailer! They have films of jimmy's act and a lot of other things. A project is in the works apparently. We have all been of great service to the family. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of the wonderful folks using the CHS board. What a classy bunch of Circus Folks! Best wishes, R.T., R.T.Carr III, rtcarr@stanford.edu

    Reply: 20 January, 2007 - This is my grandfather do you have any personal questions for his chilren? I am always interested in this type of thing to find out more on my own family as well. So please respond contact me at johnnchris@oroville.com.


484. Tom Packs, Cuba, 08 March, 2005 - Does anyone know when Tom Packs was in Cuba? The circus ran from 1937-1956. Darren Bryan in Georgia, darrenrx@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 10 March, 2005 - In the 1950s the Tom Packs Circus usually ended the season playing in New Orleans, and one year left the country. The Billboard Circus Routes for November 25, 1957 notes that Tom Packs was to play New Orleans, La, Nov. 25 to Dec. 1, and Havana, Cuba Dec. 20 to January 12, 1958. Ted Bowman Circus Routes
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - Hi there. I have just found this site so please excuse the delay in answering you. Yes the Tom Packs Circus did play Havana. However, while they were there Fidel Castro and his reveloution took Havana. Needless to say the show people were scared out of their wits. I remember being told that some performers were stranded in their hotel, couldn't leave because it just wasn't safe with trigger happy soldiers running the streets. I don't know any details of how they got out of Cuba but I am sure there are performers around who would remember. RLMENTERTAIN@webtv.net
    Reply: 29 August, 2005 - According to Tom Packs' obituary in the St. Louis Globe-Democrat, October 23, 1964, "The circus was in the middle of a four-week engagement in Havana when it was suddenly canceled by Fidel Castro's revolution on Jan. 1, 1959. The circus company was restricted to its hotel for four days without food before it was able to fly back to this country." greekwrite@yahoo.com


483. Russian Circus, Bahrain, 1996, 08 March, 2005 - This is a bit of a reach, but I am seeking information on a circus which wintered in Bahrain in 1996. It was a small Russian circus and apparently there was an incident in which a boy was injured (or possibly killed) by a horse that he had been teasing. I am trying to find out the name of the circus. Anyone who could help or suggest ways I might find this information would be greatly appreciated. J. Andrekson, origin@telusplanet.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


482. James Washington Durant, 08 March, 2005 - James Washington Durant reportedly went to America to perform, James Washington Durant (the Flying Aeronauts troupe). Does anyone have any knowledge of this, he died in 1926 when he was 53, so his career was obviously in the late 1800's, he wasn't christened Washington, he chose this name. Many thanks for your time. Lynn, robinscarry@btconnect.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


481. Dory Miller, Jack Joyce, 08 March, 2005 - Does anyone know when Dory Miller and Jack Joyce were in Jamaica doing a show? Darren Bryan in Georgia, darrenrx@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 21 March, 2005 - A brief mention of a Jamacia Tour is in the Jan./Feb. 1969 Bandwagon. During the winter of 1962-1963 part of the Al G. Kelly-Miller Bros. Circus went to the Carribean and Jamacia. If D.R. or Jack Joyce went, I don't know. There is no mention of individuals. Bob Cline, fivetiger@marlboroelectric.net
    Reply: 27 June, 2005 - Winter of 63-64 D.R.( Miller) flew his own plane several times from ?Green Cove Springs, Miss.? (Near Biloxi) area,(I believe), stopping in Sarasota, along the way, to the islands, Of course, "roommerhazzit", they were all trips ending up in Cayman, involving numbered bank accounts, and using the circus going to the Caribbean as the excuse. Have no idea as to basis of tales. BUNNIB1@aol.com


480. Origin of Liberty Horse Acts, 07 March, 2005 - Here's a question, for which I have never been able to find an answer. Although I have (I believe) just about every book written on the subject of circus horses, I have never found a mention about when horses first began to be trained to work in groups. Anyone have any clues? Also, when Barnum and Baily Circus toured Europe, they brought the 70 horse carrousel act. During the tour, a train wreck killed some of the horses, and the balance were sold. Now, I have an old engraving of a carrousel act performing with the German Circus Barum. Are these the same horses from Barnum and Bailey? IanCraik@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 22 March, 2005 - The books by Anthony Hippisley-Coxe [A Seat at the Circus] and George Speaight [A History of the Circus] are usually pretty good resources on acts. I'd also recommend Thayer's [Annals of the American Circus 1793-1860 and Traveling Showmen] as domestic resources. Fred Dahlinger

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479. Dutch's Circus, 07 March, 2005 - My in-laws used to work for the circus many years ago. My father-in-law gave a circus train set that I am trying to do some research on. We have about 12 circus cars. They have the name "Dutch's Circus" on some of them. I have looked everywhere for some information on this circus. My father-in-law was born in 1897 and I think he worked with the circus as a clown, high dive act and also with the elephants. Any information will be appreciated. ldshort68@verizon.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


478. Sun Bros. Songster, 06 March, 2005 - I have a souvenir booklet titled: Sun Bros' songster, world progressive shows published by Dick's publishing house New York. This pink booklet contains slave songs and other oldies. Are you familiar with this? Thanks! dsnl@comcast.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


477. Forepaugh about 1910, 06 March, 2005 - I'm looking for some info on the Forepaugh's Circus from around 1910. Would like to know where to begin! I'm trying to track down a trombone player in the circus band, and I realize it is remote, but I'd like to try! Amy Wooten, maceowooten@sbcglobal.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 08 March, 2005 - Your first stop should probably be the Circus World Museum Research Library in Baraboo, Wisconsin. It's open to the public only on Thursdays at this time. They would probably have the route book from the year you are looking for. The route book "MIGHT" list the band members. Also the Forepaugh show you refer to would be the Adam Forepaugh and Sells Bros. Circus under the ownership of the Ringling Bros. I hope this gets you started anyway. Good Luck. Bob Cline, fivetiger@marlboroelectric.net
    Reply: 10 March, 2005 - Your search is started by declaring the name of the musician of interest. Specific entries would be under his name. There are bandsmen lists in the Sverre O. Braathen papers at CWM, also other name listings abstracted from various journals, books, programs, etc. Fred Pfening, Jr. wrote about the 1910-1911 Forepaugh-Sells circus in Bandwagon some years ago and you can check those articles for further information about the two years of its existence. Fred Pfening III wrote two articles about the show's parade wagons and the first segment included some photographs of the show bands. Check for the articles in the index on this website and then order the relevant back issues. There are also two photo scrapbooks at CWM with 1910-1911 Forepaugh-Sells images in them. The fact that you know of an affiliation with a lesser known, short-lived circus suggests that you already have some knowledge or document. Clarifying the nature and content of it can also help to support further searching. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 10 March, 2005 - The Adam Forepaugh-Sells Bros. Circus issued route books for 1898,1899, 1900, but for 1906 and 1907 they only issued a sheet with the route printed on it. You would have better luck checking the Billboard, the show trade journal, as it is available on microfilm and interlibrary loan. They usually ran a listing of who was on what circus in the Spring edition, and they also listed people on various shows when they had the space in the April isues. Ted Bowman Route Collection


476. Swartz/Schwartz, RBBB, 04 March, 2005 - Am looking for any information on anyone with the last name of Swartz or Schwartz (not sure of spelling), who were with the Barnum and Bailey Ringling Bros. in the early 1900's, and how they were associated with the circus. I have no other information on names other than the last name of Schwartz. Thanks Sylvia, Syl02via@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


475. Circus fire, Alabama, 04 March, 2005 - I am curious about a serious fire accident that happened at a major circus in or near Huntsville, Alabama many years ago. I can't find any information about it on the web. Do you know anything about it? tony@baronservices.com. Question. Name, email address. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


474. Gentry Bros. Circus, 04 March, 2005 - I am curious if anybody can help lock down some dates for me. I am seeking some solid reference that ties Gentry Bros Seasons with dates (very early route card has date and season on it). Among the many family items I have is a 17th Season Lithographed Hand Bill/Mini Poster, A newspaper ad I believe from 1915 that advertises the 33rd Season, a 1909 Ticket signed by HGentry no season just date, and a 20 page program that comes from season 41. I was under the impression that the Gentry Brothers left the Gentry Bros cirus after 1915, and HBGentry went and ran Sells-Floto and then bought into Sparks ... sold out and retired to Florida then came back in early 30's and bought Gentry Bros name back and traveled another year. But what has caused me some concerm is the 41st Season Program on inside front cover and back cover states the Circus was operated by the original Gentry Bros. This has caused me some confusion, because using the formula that the 33rd Season was 1915 per Newspaper ad then the Program would have dated 1923 which was Gentry-Patterson Circus. 1923 was the first year Patterson ran the circus after Austin and Newman ran it from 1916-1922. I am guessing something is off here, or the 3 of the younger Gentry Bros did maintain and travel with the circus even though they may not have owned it? Any help in getting this figured out would be highly appreciated. I would also like to locate a series of route cards through the 1915 season, copies are fine just would like to lock down some lingering questions. Randy Gentry, email@gentrybros.com. Respond to this message
    Reply: 06 March, 2005 - The Gentry Show Route Cards from 1910 to 1925 do not mention any particular season on them. For the 1926 season with King Bros. owners the route cards note the 39th Annual Tour and added the line 'Founded in 1887' on the card. For 1927 they used both 39th and 40th cards, 1928 used 41st cards, and 1929 used 41st cards. Confusion exists because the show printed blank colored route cards in advance with the season on them, and they used leftover cards the following years, usually in the first months of the season. What advertising existed in newspaper ads, assuming that you have the right year for the date and performance, may reflect other influences of being an older/established show.
    Do not believe everything you read that was printed by circuses. The 1923 Gentry newspaper ads note the 32nd year of success, the 1925 Gentry/Patterson ads note 37th year, and the 1928 ads read 32nd year of success. So they recycled the artwork from some 5 year old ads in 1928, and saved a few bucks in the process. However they made it a bit confusing for circus historians. Ted Bowman Route Collection

    Reply: 24 January, 2006 - Check out www.gentryjournal.org/archives/jgg04a.htm. Tom Gentry


473. Thomas "Buzz" Shook, 04 March, 2005 - Thomas "Buzz" Shook's obituary states that he travelled with the Main & Van Amburg Circus before becoming a lithographer for the Rose Hill Company. Is there any way to research this and maybe see a lithograph he produced? I never met my Uncle, but in doing the family history, I ran across this information and became very interested in pursuing this. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. Sincerely, Keli, keli97@comcast.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 04 March, 2005 - Lithographer, in this instance, likely means the person that posted the paper, not the one that designed them. The Main circus might be William Main or Walter L. Main, or subsequent users of the title, 1870s to 1930s. The Van Amburgh title was active from the 1840s to the 1920s. Bracketing Shook's life to certain dates would help to secure a focused response. Fred Dahlinger


472. RBBB menagerie, 1930-1956, 04 March, 2005 - I'm searching for lists of animal species kept by the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Circus's menagerie between 1930's and 1956. Can you help me with this question. I know they had several unussual animals like okapi, bonobo, gorilla, snow leopard, pygmy elephants, black and indian rhino,... Thanks and kind regards, Erik Block, Coordinator of birds, Royal Zoological Society of Antwerp, Belgium, erikyumazoo@hotmail.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


471. RBBB rolling stock, 02 March, 2005 - I remember reading C. P. Fox's book a "Seat at the Circus" when I was 14, which was in 1961. The book centered around the Ringling Brothers, Barnum & Bailey Circus. I recall there was an equipment list somewhere in the book showing the rolling stock owned by the circus. If anyone can supply me with an email copy of that list I would be eternally grateful. Many thanks. Anthony Adamson, location UK, aa002d6838@blueyonder.co.uk. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


470. Russian animal trainer, 02 March, 2005 - Can anyone tell me if they have heard about a Russian animal trainer working with a Russian circus - a girl or a woman - who was killed either by a tiger or a lion sometime in the 1960s? Any information gratefully received. Thanks, Kate Lyon, lyon@paradise.net.nz. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

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469. Sylvia, girl with elephant feet, 02 March, 2005 - Do you have any information about Sylvia the girl with elephant feet. Pictures, posters, where she is? She was part of the Clyde Beatty side show in the 1950's. SGB, Shirley.Branch@gentiva.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 21 March, 2005 - I found this on eBay this morning. Maybe it helps. Bob Cline, fivetiger@marlboroelectric.net. The Elephant Foot Girl. She was know as the Girl with the biggest feet in the world. Sylvia was billed as "The Elephant Foot Girl" or "Big Foot" and was with Col. Lew Alter's sideshow 1945-46 Her home was Pritchar AL. a suburb of Mobile. Also the winter quarters of the big railroad show "Cavalcade Of Amusements" Her first husband George Jackson, It was George who discovered Sylvia in Mobile, Alabama. The two were later married and George became her manager. (That's why sometimes you'll see her name as 'Sylvia Jackson'.) Later they divorced and George married fat lady Baby Flo Johnson (Jackson) Charlie Lucas, manager of Hubert's Museum, had tried for years to get Sylvia as one of his attractions. It was during the winter of 1960-61 when Sylvia agreed to show there.
    Reply: 30 June, 2005 - She is in AZ and Texas, DYoung9258@aol.com


468. John E. Baldwin, balloonist, bomb shooter, trapeze, 01 March, 2005 - I'm looking for photos and info on a hot air balloonist, trapeze artist, and bomb shooter, John E. Baldwin. He was an independent showman who contracted with circuses, fairs, etc. from 1890 -1905. He did shows across 10 mid western states. He was the only bomb shooter in the world at that time. Where can I look for information. Gretchen Price at mine@erinet.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - An excellent book on ballooning is "The Eagle Aloft," written by a Smithsonian staffer. It's a good place to start. Checking various newspaper indexes, hard copy or on-line, such as the New York Times on ProQuest, is often a way to get some "hits" quickly. There are other scanned newspapers coming on line, usually with an accompanying fee. Check with your local librarians. Another option is to search the weekly issues of the trade journals Billboard and New York Clipper. You might start with the seasonal spring, summer and Christmas specials, which usually contain lots of advertisements. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - Nashua Reporter (Iowa), August 4, 1904. Advertisement for the Big Four Fair in Nashua, Iowa. A Realistic Artillery Battle from the Clouds. By real Dynamite Bomb Shells and Five Parachutes in Mid-air at One Time, with Live Animal Acromauts. By Professor John E. Baldwin, the National Air King, Ex-Spanish American War Balloonist and Bomb Shooter. Five parachute leaps from one balloon. A special trapeze performance while a mile above the ground. Grand leap for life in Red, White and Blue War parachute. J. Griffin
    Reply: 10 March, 2005 - 'He was the only bomb shooter in the world at that time.'? What about Prof. Ed. R. Hutchinson of Elmira, New York who wrote on May 1, 1901 to the Goodrich Circus requesting a job as The Human Bomb, The Aerial Prodigy of the Age. The Aeronaut is incased in the inner tissue, made of aluminum, and packed with cotton to prevent him from being injured and merely the outer part is exploded causing the inner part to open and the Aeronaut drops three or four hundred feet, the parachute opens and he gently descends to Mother Earth in safety. Interesting way to make a living. Ted Bowman Route Collection.
    Reply: 11 May, 2005 - I was just going through my Great-Grand Father's circus scrap book and it contained handbills for Townsend Ballon Company out of Decorah Iowa. Marza Townsend would ascend via balloon to about 200 feet, holding onto a cannon. The cannon would fire and shoot out a parachute which would open on the way down. The scrap book also contains a news article dated 1902 where the parachute didn't open and Marza landed on his head, breaking his neck. - LeRoy Alaways
    Reply: 23 September, 2005 - By the way, I believe Baldwin Field airport in Quincy, Illinois was named after him. The historical society in Quincy may have more information on him. Steve Gossard


467. Billposters, 01 March, 2005 - Was there a union or a roster of people who worked as bill posters for the various circuses? Clyde Beatty, especially? Thanks! Suzy, tvlarch@austin.rr.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - If you're seeking knowledge about a particular person, it will be best if you post their name directly. Each circus had their own crews for billing work and I doubt many were ever union members. That was more of a local employment phenomenon. If you're seeking staff rosters, they might be found in some route books, programs, coverage in Billboard, White Tops or Bandwagon. There's considerable documentation in existence on circuses that bore Clyde Beatty's name. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 06 March, 2005 - Yes, there was definitely a union for circus and carnival billers - it was called the International Alliance of Billers, Billposters and Distributors. On larger shows playing pro-union towns and cities, the bill crew members were all required to be members and the show had a contract with the union to that effect. The Beatty show was one of these for much of its life. One of the crew would be the designated "steward" and he collected dues and issued stamps which the members then stuck in the little books which served as union cards. It was necessary to serve an apprenticeship which as I recall was something like two months before joining the union. If you were billing a particularly strong union town, one that had a billposters' local, you would give a few days' work to one or more of the local members. In these towns we rubber-stamped the paper with a "bug" indicating that the posters were put up by union members. This practice was often ignored in towns where there was not a strong pro-union sentiment. Shows playing the tall grass country usually did not have union connections. The pay on these shows was less and frequently the crew slept in a "sleeper" truck rather than in hotels. By the way, the "Distributors" part of the name above refers to people who handed out handbills. One old timer told me that this was a crying shame to include them; he said that years ago our union had the choice to take in window dressers or distributors and for some reason chose the second named. Dave Price


466. P.T. Barnum 1877, 01 March, 2005 - I thought I should share with you an amazing find which my wife and I experienced over 10 years ago in Brockville, Ontario, Canada. While doing some renovations on our 1871 home, we discovered a slightly newer portion of our home was built with a P.T. Barnum stand. This billboard, still on the wood it was glued to, stretches out to about 60' in length and about 10' high. Fred Dahlinger at that time furnished me with some tremendous information about the P.T.B. circus and its summer route of 1877. The second discovery we found through Fred's correspondence was that the Special Advertising Car used to promote the oncoming circus with press releases and pasting these tremendous stands on what ever barns or fences they could find, met with its demise near De Moine, Iowa later that summer. Apparently this beautifully decorated train car was destroyed in a rail accident on the night of August 28, 1877. If any of your readers have any information about this early circus tragedy I would appreciate some more info.
Just recently I employed Dean Jensen to make an appraisal of one section I was planning to donate to our local museum. The piece is of Captain Constentenus while "suffering the prolonged agony of being tattooed from head to foot". Being an art teacher at a local high school I painted in the missing pieces myself. I have included an image of this for your readers. [Note: unfortunately this discussion board cannot include attachments - CHS webmaster] The next discovery was that it is a giant woodblock print probably the last of its kind as a circus poster. It also appears that this may also be the oldest P.T. Barnum Circus poster in the world! I am aware of one image at Circus World Museum dating to 1879. Again if any of your readers have any other info on earlier work please let me know.
Back in 1989 Fred Pfening was kind enough to have sent me a copy of his Bandwagon magazine after our discovery. I believe the readers of this magazine would love to hear the entire story. I hope they give me a call. Sincerely, Dave Sheridan, thedsheridans3015@sympatico.ca. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


465. Charlie Campbell Route Sheets, 28 February, 2005 - Circus Historical Society: Is there someone or institution out there with a collection of Charlie Campbell Route Sheets? I've tried the Circus World Library - Archives in Wisconsin but with no reply. Is it true that they are pretty much out ofbusiness now? I am looking for information that might be included in the Campbell route sheets for the period 1942-1949. Thanks for any help. Harry Rice, Special Collections and Archives Hutchins Library, Berea College, Berea, KY 40404. Harry_Rice@berea.edu. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 01 March, 2005 - Question? Why do you not simply state what question you are trying to answer as opposed to looking for something that may have the answer. There are a number of alternative research sources such as the Billboard Weekly Circus Routes, etc., and if I can help I will. But I really do not want to go out into the garage to find Charlie's lists when the answer may not be there - it wastes my time. So what is your real question? Ted Bowman Route Collection, Detroit, Michigan.
    Reply: 01 March, 2005 - Since you have provided additional information in that you are looking for a variety show, and not a circus, the route will not likely show up in the Circus section of the Billboard as they were particular what they called a circus. Charlie Campbell did list some Additional Routes regarding indoor shows and others when he could make up enough to warrant printing a second page. In the October 21, 1945 issue there is some route for the Renfro Valley Folks.- Oct. 15 Clinton, N.C.; 16 Goldsboro, N.C.; 17 Kinston, N.C.; 18 Farmville, N.C.; 19 Washington, N.C.; 20 Ayden, N.C. Ted Bowman Route Collection


464. Circus, Cass City, MI, 28 February, 2005 - How can I find a circus that was in or around Cass City, Tuscola, Michigan between 1860-1880? Is there a historical schedule of some kind? I am looking for a Kenneth Ward who ran away with the circus. websingn@cableone.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 01 March, 2005 - There are no existing circus routes through the Thumb Area of Michigan prior to 1880 that I am aware of. The 1870 shows out of Lansing and Bancroft would play central Michigan and then go south into Indiana. There is a slight chance that the Whitney Family Circus played there in the late 1870s, but mainly they went where there was population. Other shows played along the Lake Huron shore but would not come inland. The closest a show would come would be Lapeer when they were headed to Port Huron or Flint, or Saginaw & Bay City. You might try reading the Caro newspaper the Tuscola County Advertiser as it is on microfilm from 1868 to 1871 and from 1884 to 1950. Ted Bowman Route Collection


463. 1959 Circus, Kingston, Jamaica, 28 February, 2005 - I am trying to write a story from my childhood, & one of the central events I remember was a Circus that came to Kingston, Jamaica in 1959, for a week-long tour. I believe it was in the spring, & travelled from the US by way of Cuba (if this is wrong, please correct). Do you have any info, esp. the exact name of the Circus, & details about their itinerary, etc.? Also, was this an isolated event, or was it a repeated event? I would greatly appreciate any info you could provide. Sincerely, Art Wan, artwan@hotmail.com, San Diego, CA. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - If the circus came out of the United States, there's a good chance that it would be mentioned in the circus columns of the weekly trade journal Billboard, or perhaps in the bi-monthly circus fans magazine White Tops. One could also check the principal newspapers of Jamaica for advertisements and reviews. I suspect that America may have withdrawn from Cuba commercially by 1959, maybe not, but it would have been an unlikely venue for an American show after the takeover. Fred Dahlinger


462. Great Barlow Show, 27 February, 2005 - I would like to know if anyone has any information concerning The Great Barlow Show 1905- 1930? Featuring: Ed P. Barlow, Erma Barlow, Arthur Howe, Frank Decker, Neuman Deel, Guy Fahlo, James Wiley, Clarence McGowen, Will Lytle, Claude Nesbit, Ledger Pontius, Leon Nelson, Clinton Moyer, Tomas Moggle. Erma rode a bicycle on a tight rope and did an iron jaw act. If anyone has information please e-mail me. Harry E. Fike, harnanfike@locl.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - Parkinson's circus title directory offers Barlow Show 1898-1907, incl. Great Barlow Show 1902-1907; Barlow Bros. Circus, 1920-1926; and Ed P.Barlow's Wagon Show 1909-1912. The name may also have been on a minstrel show, possibly Barlow's Big City Minstrels. Leads to citations in Billboard and New York Clipper would be on note cards in the Chindahl collection, CWM library. Chindahl had an interest in smaller, overland operations. Fred Dahlinger


461. Strates show, FDR funeral car, 27 February, 2005 - It is my understanding that Strates once owned the FDR funeral car Conneaut, which as built was an 8 Compartment/Sun lounge with big (high) windows in the lounge part. Does the organization still have the car, and, if not, are there records as to its disposition? Did it go to a scrap dealer or private individual? Possibly it was saved as being an historic rail car. Thank you. Ted Shrady, Newton, MA, shrady@c4.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - The James E. Strates Shows, Inc. is still active in the carnival business in Taft, FL, near Orlando. They are the last railroad carnival. If this is an older car, it's likely the current administration will not have information concerning it. You might check the Strates book by Bob Goldsack for coverage. The last grand, wooden observation car owned by Strates, then termed "Stratesville," burned a number of years ago. Strates also went through a devastating flood in Pennsylvania a number of years ago and had to replace a number of cars due to the damage sustained. It's likely that the car may be known to Fred Heatley or Bob MacDougall, who have researched the Strates train. Other data would be in the books by Ralph Barger about Pullman and related cars. I'll forward the inquiry to Heatley and he can respond if he so desires. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 04 March, 2005 - The Pullman-named car "Conneaut" was in fact purchased by the Strates Shows in October 1956 from the Pullman Co. And it was in FDR's funeral train. This was a 8 compartment, observation lounge car - Plan # 2540, Lot # 3879. To the best of my knowledge, the only heavyweight car in the 1972 Strates train which survives today is the Pullman-named "Palm Lane". It's on static display at the New York State Fairgrounds. The following link will take you to a photo of this car as it exists today - www.rrhistorical-2.com/cnynrhs/Roster/STRATES_2/2-01.jpg. The entire Strates train was flooded in 1972 in Wilkes-Barre, PA and because of this, Strates replaced the heavyweight cars with cars from the Erie Lackawanna RR. The older cars were scrapped - most if not all at the Strates WQ in the 1972-1973 winter. Fred Heatley


460. Gardner, RBBB 1966, 27 February, 2005 - I have a 1966 RB & BB Circus route book that was owned by a Jimmy Gardner. The book contains many autographs including Henry Ringling North, Merle Evans, and many show executives and department heads. Was Jimmy Gardner a member of the show? He is not listed anywhere in the route book. Thanks for your support. hipring@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 03 April, 2005 - Willis Eckerd Lawson and Jimmy Gardner were associates in many real estate deals. Mr. Lawson came out of an orphanage at the age of 16 and joined Johnny J, Jones Carnival, and ended up as Concession Owner and Manager, on Ringling. He and Mr. Gardner also had business together with greyhound racing, and money lending to help showpeople. I am inclined to belive Mr. Gardner was closely associated with Ringling Show, I just can't remember details. Hope this helps BunniB1@aol.com

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459. Rowlands, 27 February, 2005 - This is Leslie Rowlands writing, I have a old photo of a trapeze or gymnastic artist taken in the early 1900s. The photo was taken in Parkgate Cheshire England by Arthur Maycock. As the name Rowlands has been involved in a circus or a flying type of act, he his posing with a rope with round rings attached also a looks like war medal on his chest Thanks for any information. Les Rowlands, joerow@eircom.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


458. Gypsy Sheldon, tatooed man, 25 February, 2005 - Gypsy Sheldon was supposed to be the most tatooted man in the Barnum and Bailey Circus. He showed a picture to my mother of him as a bare back rider, from some newpaper but my mother doesn't know which one. He supposely traveled with the circus possibly late 1800 to 1920. He told us he was Sioux Indian, in the picture he has long dark hair tied back with Indian bandana. I'm looking for that picture and any pictures that have been taken of tatooed men in the circus. His name was Gypsy Sheldon but we don't think that was his real name, not sure if that is the name he used in the circus. I'm trying to find out his true identity. Also looking for the census of the circus, where might I find that? Any help you could give would be appreciated. Thank you, Debbie from Florida, DBrown6773@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


457. Circus contact, 25 February, 2005 - I am studying Art and Cinema, and currently looking for a Circus on which I could make a documentary on. I am, as a matter of fact, facinated by the both artistic and nomadic aspects of circus performers' life. As I am French, and don't know the Australian Circus and have no idea about who I should try to contact. Would you have any advice? thank you anyway, lou, louloublues_3@hotmail.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - At one time there was a Circus Owners Federation, the contact being Chairperson Lorraine Grant, c/o Ashton's Circus, P. O. Box 62, Londonderry, NSW 2753. Another listing was Australian National Circus Association, P. O. Box 630, Broadway, NSW 2007. You might also try contacting the Australian Embassy in your country, or institutions that are affiliated with circus collections or activities that you can locate through a Google search. Fred Dahlinger


456. Ursaline McIntosh, 25 February, 2005 - Looking for information regarding an accident in York, South Carolina in which a performer, Ursaline McIntosh was kicked by a horse and later died. I would like to know date of accident and when she died? Thank you, Sharon Maybee, Ontario, Canada, maybee@execulink.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


455a. Hartford Circus Fire, 24 February, 2005 - When was the Hartford circus Fire dedication held? I saw a posting for 11/24/04,but, nothing further. thanks, Melba Lachmund, Vista, CA, Gdmarose@cox.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


455. Dorothy Wahl, 23 February, 2005 - Can anyone tell me more about Dorothy Wahl, possibly one time performing with Stewart Jackson, and dancer-singer in 1933 with the Ernie Young Revue (Ernie Young Christmas Vaudeville, Ernie Young World Show Revue). Any information on other performers with the Ernie Young Revue (Willy Bradna, others) also welcome. Thanks, Natasha Gerson, nani@xs4all.nl. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


454. Ringlings' first year, 22 February, 2005 - Need to clarify the first year of the Ringling Circus. Reading thru several sites re: first year Ringing circus was presented. If 1970 was the Centennial {100} year, wouldn't 1880 have been year #1? A couple of sites have stated that 1884 was 1st year. As time permits would some one be able to state the correct date for Ringling's 1st circus? Thanking you in advance, Danny, D952@mohaveaz.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 23 February, 2005 - The purchase of the Barnum and Bailey Circus gave the Ringling Bros. an opportunity to combine the two units in 1919. However, since P.T. BARNUM'S MUSEUM, MENAGERIE AND CIRCUS began in 1871 we now have arrived to the 135th edition. Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - The first year of the Ringling brothers circus was 1884. RBBB starts counting from 1871, first year of the Barnum circus. Fred Dahlinger


453. Florenz Troupe, Wizards of the Tightwire, 22 February, 2005 - Looking for information regarding "The Great Florenz Troupe - Wizards of the Tightwire. These 2 ladies were Flo and Grace, who performed with Al.G . Kelly & Miller Bros in the 2 early 50s. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sharon, my e-mail: maybee@execulink.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 20 May 2007 - I tried to respond to your email but it has been returned so maybe you've changed address. I have found records of my grandfather Leonard Martinek sailing to New York to join Barnum's Circus and that same year Barnum's are featuring the Florenz Troupe. Leonard was an acrobatic dancer who eventually moved into music hall. He married first Louise Marie Gontard, parents Jean Joseph Gontard and Caroline, nee Strassberger and possibly had a child named Kitty. Later he took up with my grandmother and had two children, one being my father. You seem to be asking about a later period of the Florenz Troupe, but it has to be the same troupe, albeit with different dancers. I'd like to hear from anyone who has any information on the Gontards, the Strassbergers but, most importantly of all, if Leonard Martinek had any children with Louise or any subsequent companions (he left my Grandmother around 1920) as those children would be my half cousins. Sincerely, Freya, freyasday@talktalk.net

    Reply: 22 June 2007 - The mention of Flo and Grace in the original question makes me wonder if we're not talking about the McIntosh family here. This family worked on the Ray Rogers show (Barnett Bros, later Wallace Bros) and at some point came to Kelly-Miller and stayed there for years. I believe Belmonte Florenz worked with them at some point in their careers and they may have worked under his name. Does the Florenz family you are speaking of include Alfred Florenz the clown or the Great Florenzo of somersaulting car fame? Regards, Ole Whitey


452. Grant Family, acrobats, 21 February, 2005 - We are trying to find any and all information regarding the Grant Family Circus Performers who were supposedly acrobats. The period of time was sometime between 1825 and 1845. We believe that one of the performers was a Mary (or Margaret) Grant however, since she married a William Robinson we're not sure what name she might have gone by. We have been searching through all the John Robinson circus books, but can't find where they worked for him. We have also tried the Yankee Robinson circus information but can't find anything here also. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Please response to e-mail address www.Draco662003@yahoo.com, Thanks in advance. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 March, 2005 - Check Stuart Thayer's Annals of the American Circus, 1793-1860. If they're not listed therein, they either didn't participate in the circus business or were very obscure. It's always possible that they appeared under a stage name that concealed their true identity. Another reliable source, Slout's Olympians of the Sawdust Circle, a biographical encyclopedia of 19th century circus personalities, fails to list any Grants. He lists a William Robinson as being with Adam Forepaugh's circus in 1878, but no details. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 21 December, 2005 - There was a Grant family touring with Ashtons Circus(Australia) in the 1950's. The son, Gary Grant, married Lorraine Ashton. The Grants were "Acrobats". They did a rolling globe act, and a risley act. Hope this helps a bit. Viking1939h@wmconnect.com


451. Michael Zatorski, trapeze, 19 February, 2005 - I was looking for a Michael Zatorski who was in the Barnum & Bailey Circus. He ran away with the circus. Supposedly he took on the name Bailey after the owner. He from what I understand was a great Trapeze artist. He never used a net and had three falls and the last took his life from what I have been told. Could you please help. carolinepatton@knology.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

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