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750. Gene's show, 07 August, 2005 - Hello! My name is Yolanda Mosier Bates. I along with parents and brother, spent quite a few years growing up on Gene's show. We had a dog act and trick roping, also when Gene and Margaret's kids went back to Riverside, CA my brother and I performed with BIG BABE in the elephant act. I sure would like to find Gail Holter as we were very good friends and pals on the fair grounds. We would be the same age, a whoping 52. Anyway, if I can give you any info for your site, let me know as we did alot of road and many shows. Thanks, Yolanda, wireworks@tampabay.rr.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 14 Aug 2008 - Hi, I am a grandson of Gene and Margaret Holter, who owned Gene Holters Movieland animals. My Grandmother Margaret still lives in Southern California along with all 4 of her kids Robert Margene Gail and Kathy. I am the son of Gail and came across the post on the site and found it interesting. I was wondering if I could find a way to contact Yolanda Mosier Bates who stated she was trying to find my mother. Thanks, Tyson Fristrom Fristrom, tfristrom@yahoo.com

    Reply: 30 May 2009 - Hello, I am writing a book on Norco California and Gene Holter for some years wintered in that little town. Hoping to speak to members of the family and people who worked for the show. Kevin Bash

    Reply: 08 Jul 2009 - Hello Kevin. I understand you are writing a book on Norco. I used to live in Norco and used to ride my horses past the place that I figured belonged to Gene Holter, never could find anyone at home. I believe it was on Temiscal between 4th and 6th? I met Gene many years ago, thru a mutual friend. I am trying to get in touch with some of the Holter family also. Working on research of the Holter Appaloosa horses. I am a equine pedigree researcher/historian for over 40 years. I have some interesting articles, advertisements on Gene and his “Movieland” animals, including info on his Appaloosas. I now live in Northern California, Cottonwood to be exact. You can contact me privately at: PMpedigree@gmail.com, Pat Mefferd

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749. RBBB 1930-40s, 04 August, 2005 - My father passed away in December 2004 and I have been going through his things. I found his autograph book from the late 30's through the 40's. Much to my delight there are many autographs from Ringling Brothers/Barnum & Bailey Circus people. He had told me many stories of when he was young the circus train coming in to Kansas City, MO and all the boys would go and help set up for the performances. They would then get free passes. Some of the autographs are Best Regards, John Ringling 1940, Mary Doll, Grove Doll, Baron Paricci, Tatooed Lady-Betty Broadbent, Lot's of Luck from Alex Linton-Sword Swallower. Those are just a few, there are many others. Does anyone know about any of these people. Daddy always told me how nice they all were. Thanks so much for your time. Donna McChesney, Shell Knob, MO, snifflebear@centurytel.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 07 August, 2005 - In the matter of the "Best Regards, John Ringling 1940" autograph its doubtful that a man who passed away in 1936 could have written such in 1940. However, we can surmise that maybe it was 1930 since Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey played Kansas City, MO on August 27. If we consider the possibility of a mistaken year there remain the possibility that John Ringling could have given his autograph in 1931 since the circus played there on September 4. In 1932 the deteriorating health of the last surviving circus king along with financial difficulties makes it unlikely that he would be with the circus. Mary and Grove Doll (missing is Harry and another sister) used the "Doll" name to emphasize their "smallness". Under the name of Earle, Harry played a major role in the Tod Browning cult film "Freaks". However, I believe that the true family name is Sneider. Baron Parrici is another small person. Other then the Tatooed Lady-Betty Broadbent there is Alex Linton-sword Swallower. All of these people with the exception of John Ringling (I have a feeling someone played a joke on your dad) worked the side-show. While autographs where standard fare in "Freak Shows" they usually accompany picture postcards. I suspect that these autographs are more then likely on such postcards. It would be interesting to discover in your collection famous circus performers of the big top. - Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 07 August, 2005 - The people you listed were all employed in the RBBB side show. The Doll family (Harry, Grace, others) were midgets, or little people. There's some coverage of them in a book about little people, with a title that may include that phrase. Do a check for it in various databases, or have your local librarian locate a copy for you. Betty Broadbent may have received some coverage in tattoo topical books. Joseph T. Bradbury wrote an extensive series of articles about the history of RBBB from 1932 to 1956 for the "White Tops," the journal of the Circus Fans Association. Back copies are available of most issues. Each season was covered in several installments. You may want to search for these to gain insight into your father's experiences. September 3-4, 1940 were the RBBB dates in Kansas City. You might also check the local newspapers for coverage and photos. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 08 August, 2005 - Native of Dresden, Germany, Kurt Schneider and his sister Frieda performed briefly in Europe as "Hansel and Gretel", attracting the attention of showman Bert Earles who operated a midget show. He signed them to tour with the Buffalo Bill's Wild West. World War I (1914-1918) brought anti-German sentiment and the Schneider name became Harry and Gracie Earles. A sister, Hilda, joined them in 1922, changing her name to Daisy Earles. It was at Coney Island's Luna Park that the sideshow manager dubbed them "The Dancing Dolls". In 1925, sister Elly (Tina) showed up. Harry was the shortest and Daisy the tallest. John and Alice Durant's "Pictorial History of the American Circus" (A. S. Barnes and Company, New York 1957) includes a picture of "the Doll Family" and also one of Betty Broadent-The Tatooed Lady on page 294. Fred Dahlinger is correct when he mentions that there is some coverage of the Doll family in a book about little people with a title that may include that phrase. "The Little People" by Hy Roth & Robert Cromie (Everest House, New York 1980) A picture of the Dolls (i.e. Earles, Schneider) on page 101. Family history source: FREAKS! No. 9, May 1997 (A defunct "Side show fanzine" published by Chris Fellner. Other contributors include the Circus World Museum, Bob Blackmar and Mark Ridell. - Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 19 August, 2005 - I want to thank both Mr. Iuliani and Mr. Dahlinger for giving me more information about my dad's autographs. After looking more carefully at the "John Ringling" autograph from 1940 there appears to be another name after John Ringling. It looks like N O _ _ L L. Also included are Baby Thelma-619 lbs, Senorita Josephine-snake trainer, Wilbur Harris-Big Mouth, Milo Vagge-bag puncher and "Good luck to a nice little boy from Rosita & Anita" Does anyone know who Rosita & Anita were? Thank you again for your time and I will definately check online and with my library for reference material. It will be fun to put faces with these names. Donna


748. Beatty Town, bareback riders, 04 August, 2005 - Just south of my home town, Springfield, Ohio is a little crossroads settlement called Beatty Town. I heard years ago that it was originally settled by a retired circus bareback riding family. Does any one have any info regarding this? Bill Strong. pharoah11@verizon.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 24 February, 2007 - Hi, I was born in Springfield, Ohio and my last name is Beatty. Do you have any info for me or where I can contact someone? Faith Beatty

    Reply: 12 Feb 2010 - Did you ever find out anything about the Beatty family, connected to Beatty Town, near Springfiled, Ohio? Faith Ann Beatty. Seattle, Washington.


747. Circus dogs, 04 August, 2005 - I'm trying to research famous circus dogs. I'm looking for any information on their names, which circuses they were with, and find available images. Thanks, Joanne. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 07 August, 2005 - Go to circusmuseum.nl, type in the search spot (zoek): hond (is dutch for dog). You can also try: honden or hund. You will find a lot of circusposters with dogs. hvoogd@teylersmuseum.nl

    Reply: 12 January, 2007 - I have an old, but undated, autographed photo of the Earles Midgets with a small dog sitting beside them. Looks like a Pom or some similar breed and is identified in the picture as "Earl". No ES. Don't know if this would qualify as a 'circus dog' per se, but according to my information, these guys did perform in the circus as well as several motion pictures including TWOO. Could this puppy be the daddy of Toto? I would be happy to share copies of this photo to any interested parties for only the cost of reproduction and mailing. Dave Brown, N. Ft. Myers, FL, Brownabcdef@wmconnect.com

    Reply: 30 January, 2007 - The circus dogs are American Eskimo dogs. Originally from Germany, known as the spitz dog, was ne-named to appeal to the Americans during the circus tour days of the 1930's. The dogs were circus performing dogs, and were bred and sold as souveniers to circus goers. My Grandmother was given one of these dogs by her parents at a circus, and I have had two of my own. They are excellent dogs, and learn tricks very easily. They are about thirty pounds, have thick white fur, with brown eyes, and a curled tail. Bonnie Byrnes, bonnielbyrnes@yahoo.com


746. Robinson Two Car Show, 02 August, 2005 - Does anyone know what years the Robinson Two Car Show existed? It's probably around the 1880's, Thanks, Darren Bryan in Georgia, darrenrx@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


745. Sells Bros., 02 August, 2005 - We are doing an extensive renovation of our home, built in 1884. In one of the walls a construction worker found an old flyer for the "Sells Brothers Enormous Railroad Shows." It is an eight page flier at the top of the first page is says "St. Paul, Friday, June 12" but is has no year. How can I find out what year this flyer is from? Thank you for very much for your reply. Arlyce J. Melheim, Stillwater, MN, ajmelheim@faithink.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - The Sells title was active 1872-1895. A perpetual calendar provides a means to determine in which years a particular month and date fell on a certain date of the week. Consulting one we learn that Friday, June 12, occurred in 1874, 1885 and 1891. Someone may have held onto an 1874 "flier" [termed a courier by collectors, but another name was employed by showmen], but it's more logical that it came from 1885 or 1891. If you check the St. Paul newspapers for the dates, that will confirm one or the other. If someone already has compiled Sells routes, or a collection of Sells advertising for the various seasons, that can serve as a resource as to when the "Enormous Railroad Shows" was utilized. "Enormous United Shows" appears to have been a derivative that was commonly employed by the Sells and successor Forepaugh-Sells organization. The Sells organization operated two entirely separate circus through 1888, when the efforts were streamlined into one. In 1890 they used the Enormous United Railroad Shows. It would suggest that your item is from pre-united days, 1885. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 04 August, 2005 - Thank you so very much for your wealth of information. I appreciate the time you spent to answer my question. We will investigate how best we can preserve this piece of circus history and the history of our home's previous inhabitants. Arlyce J. Melheim
    Reply: 04 August, 2005 - The Sells Bros. title was not active between 1873 and 1877, the Brothers owned a circus but did not use their name. Rather the show was titled Paul Silverberg's Monster Menagerie & Circus in 1873 and from 1874 to 1877 Great European Zoological Exposition. In 1885 the Sells Bros. Enormous Railroad Shows played Hastings, Minn. June 11, St. Paul, Minn. June 12 and Minneapolis, Minn. June 13. For the 1891 season the show was in Iowa in June which means that the 1885 date would be the correct one. Ted Bowman Route Collection
    Reply: 07 August, 2005 - The Sells name and Sells Bros. was not the principal identity in the 1870s, but the title was frequently used in conjunction with their more highly publicized and aggrandized adjective-laden titles. It appears on a letterhead for the Sells Brothers Great European 7 Elephant Railroad Circus & Menagerie (item dated 1878 by Bernard) that appears in Bandwagon, Jan-Feb 1964, page 11. It was termed the Sells Bros. Great European Show in New York Clipper, March 3, 1877, page 391. The firm was also cited in the Jackson (MI) Daily Citizen of September 3, 1875 as The Sells Bro's Great European Zoological Association. An account in Clipper, April 12, 1873 termed it Sells Bros. and Silverburg's Hippodrome Combined, with a similar phrase in the ad in the Columbus (OH) State Journal of April 19, 1873. Fred Dahlinger


744. Clyde Beatty, Yankee Patterson, 02 August, 2005 - Circus historians & collectors, please help! Credit will be given to all who help. I need information for my research on the following:
      Clyde Beatty's Circus; April, 1946 California. Art LaRue; (Circus Cop). Waite clown troop. Elephant act names. Cowboy and Indian horse riders. Other performers names and acts. Any Info!
      Yankee Patterson BigTop, November- December, 1949 California. Mark Anthony; (tramp). Captain Winston; (spelling?) Seal act. Mrs. Eleanor; Trapeze. The Flying De Wanes (Spelling?) teeterboard & trampolien. (unnamed) Chair balancing act. Elephant act (Babe & willy). Other performers names and acts. Any info!
      My manuscript is going to be shared with historic societies & museums as a limited edition to preserve a part of history. Please help. Any information that can be shared is very helpful. Even the smallest detail. Email me any time. Thank you, Thomas Holbrook. bozo_history@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 11 June, 2006 - Not sure if you're referring to the trapeze artist known as "Princess Musetta" whose name was Eleanor Velarde. She worked for the Clyde Beatty Circus. She also worked with the Shrine circuses. My brothers were tight rope and wire rope performers. They were also known as "The Great Velardes." She is my sister and is still living. Let me know. Dora, ABUEGRAMM@aol.com

    Reply: 12 September, 2006 - A big Circus Thank you to the folks who did help with my desire to find info on these performers. It seems that some info is either not available in any form and will possibly lost to time. The search continues, even though I am soon to be going to print with the manuscript on the history of the 'Capitol Clown'. Tom Holbrook bozo_history@yahoo.com

    Reply: 29 Jan 2010 - I’m actually writing in response to Dora’s note to you. “Musetta”, Eleanor Velarde, is/was my Godmother. I am Fritz and Betty Huber’s daughter, Fritzi. I will try her email from 06’, but am posting here just in case. It has been many years.

    Reply: 11 Feb 2010 - Good evening, I'm actually responding to a note sent to me through your email from "Fritzi," who is/was Fritz and Betty Huber and "Eleanor Velarde," aka "Princess Musetta's" godaughter. I hope she gets this email. I don't have "aol" anymore. Fritzi, please get in contact with me at abuegram2@sbcglobal.net. I have information for you about my sister Eleanor Velarde. I have a pic. of you as a baby, with my sister and I believe my brother "Louis Velarde" was your Godfather. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, Dora.


743. Tom Mix Circus, 29 July, 2005 - My grandfather became an employee for the Tom Mix Circus on July 20, 1938. How would I be able to find out what he actually did for the circus? Thank you for your response. bettykwood@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - Several articles in "Bandwagon" have covered the history of the Tom Mix Circus, including 1938. You can find them in the article index on this website and then order back copies (May-June 1971). If you desire to search further, seek copies of the weekly trade journal "Billboard," which had a couple pages of circus news, or the bi-monthly issues of the "White Tops," a Circus Fans Association publication that also carried show news. Depending upon his level of employment, he may or may not have been mentioned. I've never seen any reference to any surviving business records of the Tom Mix Circus, though they may exist somewhere unknown. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - Suggest you contact the Tom Mix Museum in Dewey, OK. Contact information: Ms. Peggy Berryhill, Phone: 918 534-1555; address: Tom Mix Museum, P.O. Box 190, Dewey, OK 74029. This is a very small Museum, but I found them responsive to my questions. You might have problems reaching them and they are only open short periods of time. Good Luck, Richard Georgian, Lehigh Acres, FL, rgeorgian@comcast.net


742. Welch's, 1855, 29 July, 2005 - On September 25, 1855, Thoreau went to Welch's circus. My question is twofold: 1) At this time, what was the official name of the circus: "Rufus Welch's National Circus" or the "Welch, Mann and Delevan's National Circus" or some other variation. 2) Would anyone happen to know when, or for how long, the circus was in the Concord Massachusetts area at that time? If you could please respond to my e-mail address as well as the Circus History Message Board, it would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. Best wishes, Jeff Cramer. Jeffrey S. Cramer, Curator of Collections, The Thoreau Institute at Walden Woods, Lincoln, MA, Jeff.Cramer@walden.org, www.walden.org/Institute. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - Check Stuart Thayer's "Annals of the American Circus," Vol. III (or the later consolidated three volumes in one). The route of the 1855 organization, Welch's National Circus and Lent's New York Circus is on pages 184-185. It provides no entries between September 22 at Marlboro and September 26 at Groton, but typically the enterprise moved on a daily basis, six days per week, laying off on the Sabbath. Also specified there is a roster. Thayer's relevant essays on Welch are on pages 55-58 and 93-94. Thayer may have accumulated additional material relevant to the 1855 tour subsequent to his publications. His later book "Traveling Showmen" also provides insights into circus operations of the time. Fred Dahlinger


741. Circuses touring Cuba, 19th Century, 26 July, 2005 - Seeking names of and/or information pertaining to any circuses, troupes, or acrobatic/highwire acts that may have toured Havana, Cuba in the mid- to late-19th Century, especially the year 1870. Please contact Diane: dti@nyc.rr.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 18 November, 2005 - My Grandmother was in the Santos And Artigas Circus in Havana in 1936. They were called the "Three Radke Sisters." They performed ground acrobatics. "bobby rast"

    Reply: 14 March, 2007 - My parents, Fritz and Betty Huber, a.k.a. The Sensational Kays, toured Cuba with their high wire act from 1957-58. fritzihb@aol.com. P.S. My grandmother, Babette “Tayanna” Brumbach, also played Cuba circa 1917. Fritzi


740. Ruben Rothgery, knife thrower, 26 July, 2005 - Family tradition states Ruben Rothgery was a knife and axe thrower, first with Buffalo Bill Cody" show and later with P.T. Barnum Circus. He was allegedly married to his 3rd wife in the center ring at Madison Square Garden. He is my Great Uncle. He died some time in the 1940's. Started performing in the 1800's. His wives were the target. He may have had a "stage name". Any information would be greatly appreaciated. Thank You! Fred S Lamb, MD and Kathleen A Lamb, Suttons Bay, MI, flambmd2@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 20 January, 2006 - I'm a professional knife thrower interested in finding out about throwers of yesteryear. I saw your post regarding Ruben. Have you found out any more? David, The Great Throwdini, (The Rev. Dr.) David R. Adamovich, www.knifethrower.com.

    Reply: 11 Aug 2007 - Our family has a 1930 newspaper article about this relative of ours. There is also a small book at a museum in Greenville, Ohio about them; that is the famous Russels. We believe he only married one of the ladies. She left him for another man in Florida. Ann Stambol, astamb@leeca.org

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739. Edward Yeamans, clown, 26 July, 2005 - Interested in family Edward Yeamans. He was a clown and comedian in the NY area in 1840s. dwilkey@optusnet.com.au. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 09 August, 2005 - The name is not listed by either Stuart Thayer (Annals of the American Circus, 1793-1860) or William L. Slout (Olympians of the Sawdust Circle, 19th century). I'd therefore question the circus affiliation. You might check George C. D. Odell's "Annals of the New York Stage" and other relevant theater histories, local newspapers, as well as the usual genealogical, censes, immigration and vital records documentation. The theater libraries holding NYC documentation would also be good resources (NYPL, Harvard, etc. and the American Antiquarian Society). There was a rider by the name of Yeaman, but the names and times don't match (George, died 1827). Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 24 August, 2005 - Fred Braid, the Australian circus historian, lists Yeamans on J. A. Rowe's Circus in Melbourne in 1852 and 1854, and on George Lewis' Circus (Astley's Amphitheatre) in 1855. Mrs. Yeamans, Annie, was a rider with same shows, same years. They were also with Ashton in 1855. In 1865, Richard Risley had his "Royal Olympic Theatre" in Yokahoma, Japan, and the Yeamans were with it. Risley turned the show over to them. Stuart Thayer.


738. Circuses, 1916 Canada, 25 July, 2005 - I am seeking information about circuses that might have visited Vancouver or New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada in 1916. Would they have visited in winter? We didn't get much snow. How would they heat the tents for the animals? Would they come by train or? Thank you so much. Sandy Hyslop SandyPaws@telus.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 26 July, 2005 - The most straight forward method to determine the shows that visited Vancouver and the date of their engagement is to scan back issues of the local newspaper for their advertisements. They can be readily discerned amongst other advertising. If you're lucky, someone may have already researched the various shows and written an article or book about them, or filed a list at the local library or historical society. Such institutions usually have vertical files of clippings and other illustrations that document show history. Less accessible resources would be the microfilmed weekly issues of the show trade journals "Billboard" and "New York Clipper," which published route information supplied by the shows. Larger cities could have been visited by railroad circuses in the summer and early fall, when tent operations were feasible. Tents were not heated until relatively recently, except perhaps on occasion to melt snow load. An overland circus (horse and wagon) would have been too small to accommodate city crowds. The motorized circus was still largely a vision in 1916, though modest efforts were underway in the late 1910s. Indoor troupes may have journeyed there in the winter, if there was a suitable indoor venue to utilize, such as an amphitheatre, auditorium, etc. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 25 August, 2005 - My rather comprehensive list of circuses visiting Vancouver beginning in 1891 has no entry for 1916. Stuart Thayer.


737. Julia Sanderson, Forepaugh, 25 July, 2005 - One of my distant relatives, an actresss named Julia Sanderson worked for the Forepaugh Circus, way back before 1900. Her father, an actor named Albert Sackett did as well. Where can I find any information about her acts, whereabouts and where she went while she worked for the circus. I am contemplating writing a book about her life, and I want to start collecting information. Thank you very much. Charlotte Richards. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 26 July, 2005 - Neither name is listed in Slout's biographical encyclopedia of 19th century American circus personnel, "Olympians of the Sawdust Circle." They may have used stage names, or aliases, or appeared as part of a ensemble or troupe under another name, as was common with acrobats, riders and aerialists. Their circus careers may also have been brief, yielding little documentation. It might be helpful for you to offer a bit more information as to the source that places them within the circus business. Adam Forepaugh owned a show 1864-1890, the title continued 1891-1894 under others, and then merged and used as Forepaugh-Sells 1896-1907 and 1910-1911. Forepaugh also had an interest in other circuses and other Forepaughs were also in the business. Often recollections cite a person's employment with the largest and grandest circus, as that's the title people remember years later, as when an obituary is composed. Forepaugh's fits that bill as it was the equal of or better than the Barnum show some years. The question will be forwarded to a Forepaugh expert. Fred Dahlinger


736. Aerialist death, 25 July, 2005 - I am looking for information about an aerialist around the 1930's that fell and died, I have been told she was with the Barnum and Bailey circus, that and that she was Navajo is all I know. SHenry@LANDAM.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - I cannot speak to the time in history, but there is a book called "Aunt Sarah" which is about an Abenaki woman and her sister. They traveled with the circus (don't know which one) until her sister (an aerialist) fell to her death. Jeanne


735. Hamlin & Archer, 25 July, 2005 - I am looking for any information about a small circus that may have been called "Hamlin & Archer" or the owner's names were Hamlin & Archer. Please email me at eachus5@juno.com or ceachus@mbmfoodservice.com. Thank you for your help. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 26 July, 2005 - The Hamlin & Archer title does not appear in the usual circus and carnival title lists. Some small outfits weren't listed, but there are other "shows" and spurious operations that yield such titles. Owners names have also been obscured by the public title of a circus. In what type of document was this title located? Fred Dahlinger


734. Thomas Mulder, 24 July, 2005 - I am searching for information relating to Thomas Mulder. I believe he was born in the USA somewhere around Brooklyn, New Jersey probably around 1842. Family stories tell us that he came out to Australia with the Silver Circus, if this is the case it would have been sometime before 1884 as we can see that he was married in that year in NSW. Any help you can provide would be very much appreciated. Regards, Merry Manton, Brisbane, Australia, bjme.manton@bigpond.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 09 August, 2005 - Check with your local librarian, I believe a book has been printed about the Silver circus. You might also look for works about the Australian circus by Mark St. Leon, Fred Braid and others. St. Leon is currently marketing a massive documentation effort that may have relevant entries. The address published is 15/479 Forest Road, Penhurst NSW 2222 AUSTRALIA. Fred Dahlinger


733. Elephant rider, 24 July, 2005 - Who is the elephant rider on the 1945 Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus program? nburke2958@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 02 August, 2005 - The Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus Magazine was published by Harry S. Dube who's editor gives no credit to the pretty girl sitting on the head of an elephant on the front cover of the 1945 edition program. We can surmise that she was among the 95 circus ballet women listed on page 68. Since it was common practice to have performers participate in other acts (i.e. Hugo Zachinni doing the canon act and also riding a horse) there might be someone able to identify her. - Giovanni Iuliani


732. Lukin/Lucas Bros., 23 July, 2005 - Is there such a thing as the Lukin Brothers or the Lucas Brothers that had a circus in the 1920s? amberkirkpatrick@sbcglobal.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 25 July, 2005 - In Harry Bowman's book of circuses he lists a B. W. Lucas Circus in 1922, and a Lucas Animal Circus that was active from 1923-1928. No confirmed route for this show however. There was a B. W. Lucas listed in the 1920 US Census as living in Bloomington, Illinois, he was 68 years old and worked for the railroad. Ted Bowman Route Collection.


731. Great Majilton, magician, 23 July, 2005 - I am interested in researching a magician who was with Ringling (I believe) in the 20s or 30s named "The Great Majilton". I could very well have the spelling wrong. I am wondering if there is an archive to search or if the circus or college keeps records where one could research this. Please let me know. Thank you so much. Jeff Onore. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 24 September, 2005 - If you want any information on this magician, I can tell you all about him. peter.appleton17@ntlworld.com
    Reply: 18 October, 2005 - Hi - Did you find anything out about Majilton? Is it possible he was performing in the 1870s or 1880s as a younger man? Thanks, Thomas.
    Reply: 29 October, 2005 - Majilton was performing as a younger man in 1870s, 80s. He was also the famous Parelli of the rings gymnast, actor, juggler, dancer, many forms comedian. Real name Francis Scott Berrington Westminster London b d 1933. peter.appleton17@ntlworld.com

    Reply: 26 Nov 2007 - I am the great grandson of the Great Majilton. My mother's name was Berrington. I have tried Peter Atherton's email with no luck. Glad to talk to anyone about him. Chris Page


730. Earl Powers, 23 July, 2005 - I am looking for any information regarding some performers from the early 1900's. Their names were: Earl Powers & Maude Nelson Powers. They worked trapeze, clown (he), and I believe she walked on a huge ball. There may have been a male Nelson working with Earl Powers at one time. Thanks, Sandra Powers Werner, Hwcsandy@AOL.COM, Alachua, FL. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

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729. Cole Bros., Otis circuses, 23 July, 2005 - Hello. Does anyone have any info reagrding the ownership of any portion of the Cole Bros or Otis Circus in and around 1950 by William Boyd, aka Hopalong Cassidy. Thank you, Pjrmarx51@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 24 July, 2005 - Joseph T. Bradbury wrote a comprehensive, multi-part history of the Cole Bros. Circus that covers the Hopalong Cassidy association, Zack Terrell, Wirtz, etc. The issues can be located in the article website index and back copies may be available or photocopies acquired. Use the "Edit" and "Find (on this page)" tools to locate the Bradbury entries. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 25 July, 2005 - Where is the Edit and Find you mention. I don't see them on this page. Pjrmarx51@aol.com
    Reply: 25 July, 2005 - Go to this page: www.circushistory.org/Bandwagon/BandwagonIndex.htm. Edit and Find are features of your browser. You should find Edit at the top of the browser display and find is a feature under Edit. Type Bradbury into the find window. You'll have to do this for all the years of Bandwagon. If you don't know how to do this, you can use the search engine on the CHS main page. Just type in Bradbury. J. Griffin
    Reply: 17 August, 2005 - I am looking for the 1950 Cole Bros. circus program with Hoppy on the cover. It has Bozo the clown appearing at the show and I am looking for all of the bozo info pre 1956 I can find. Please help, Copies 'Ok'. Thank you; bozo_history@yahoo.com


728. William Bale, juggler, 23 July, 2005 - William Bale was a juggler and his family were acrobats etc. I think. He was a "Zanetto" Do you have any info? Thanks Gary Bale. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 12 March, 2006 - I think I am your cousin! My grandfather was in this troupe, George Bale. Please get in Touch. Tom Bale. My sister Mia Bale is also interested in knowing anyone involved from our family. anna@base.je

    Reply: 26 March, 2006 - Gary, Do you have any details about William's age etc. There may be a connection with our grandfather who was also a juggler. My father Anthony Carmello Bale died in 1969 in his early 40's but he had a lot of old newspaper cuttings and circus memorabilia which has unfortunately paased out of our hands. My brother and I are getting in touch with an elderly relative late April and may be able to obtain more information then. If any one has information regarding Zanetto Bale or about the Bale Circus 1890 - we would be very interested. Leveridges, leveridge@jerseymail.co.uk

    Reply: 17 September, 2006 - Replying to requests for info on 21st April & 23 July 2005. William Bale was my grandfather and I have got quite a lot of my line of his family tree logged on the genes united site. I have it back to 1809 at the moment. Log on there and you could share it. normanallen, normanallen@supanet.com


727. Ringling 2005, 23 July, 2005 - Regarding the Houston location, where will the train, carrying the elephants for Ringling Brothers Circus, park so that the elephants can walk to Reliant Stadium. I believe that takes place on Tuesday, July 26, 2005. Also, at what time will the elephant walk take place? Thank you. C. Brelsford. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


726. John W. Worley, high diver, 21 July, 2005 - John W. Worley was a high diver and fell to his death. I don't know who he worked for. His cousin I was told worked for J. Stanley Roberts 28. He lived in Chattanooga. How can I find what circus he worked for? He died in the late 1920's to early 1930's. Thanks Carrie. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


725. Faye Gordon, 20 July, 2005 - My name is Sally and I am looking for information regarding: Faye Gordon - Ringling Brothers Circus - 1970s - Faye was the trainer and had an act with a Clouded Leopard. Any information or where to find information would be appreicated. Thank you for your time and knowledge. Regards, Sally. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


724. Historical Elephant Bullhands, 19 July, 2005 - My father has been an elephant trainer for over 25 years, and I am wanting to follow in his footsteps. I have been researching historical circus elephants (both tuskers and cows), but am right now concerned about historical trainers and bullhands. If anyone has information they can provide about these guys, or point me in a direction, I would greatly appreciate it. - Stewart Craven, Adam Forepaugh, Chang Reynolds, Colonel Bill Woodcock Sr, Buckles Woodcock Jr., Hugo Schmidt, Roman Schmidt, Sidney Rink, Fred Logan, Donnie Carr, Cheerful Frank Gardner, "Canada Bill" Williams, Popcorn George, Curley Prickett, The Vamp, Baraboo Red - Thank you! My name is Ryan Easley at Elephant_keeper463@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 29 July, 2005 - The data you seek is spread broadly throughout circus documentation. Many years ago a biography of Stewart Craven was printed in the CFA's White Tops. There's a brief biography of Adam Forepaugh, Jr. in Slout's "Olympians of the Sawdust Circle," which also covers other elephant people. There's a broader biography of George W. "Popcorn" Hall, Sr. in "Badger State Showmen" by Stuart Thayer and myself. Tom Parkinson penned a fine profile of William Woodcock, Sr. for "Billboard" that was later reprinted in "Bandwagon" after the Col.'s passing. Bill Johnston wrote a number of pieces for "Bandwagon" about elephant topics, including some handlers. There's the Lucia Zora autobiography, articles in 'Bandwagon" about the two Snyders and more. There were also memoirs by or about George Bates, Matthew Scott and others in 'Billboard" many years ago. Thayer authored articles in "Bandwagon" that cover all elephants in America prior to 1860. I'd suggest locating back issues of the "Bandwagon" and "White Tops" as a start for your work. They provide more information quicker. Vertical files on elephants and elephant people in collections specializing on circus history offer another possibility. Fred Dahlinger


723. Unus, 19 July, 2005 - I used to study acrobatics in Sarasota in the 1950's, and one of the girls in my class was the daughter of Unus. I would love to find a picture of him balancing on his ball, or any information about him and Vicki. Thank you. Stephanie Harrover. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 29 July, 2005 - Unus appear in South America in 1961, with the Ringling Bros, Barnum and Bailey Circus International. He performing an act of hand's balance, stopping itself on its forefinger, after many soon they imitated it. I send you one scan with Unus in the circus dressing room in Sao Paulo, Brazil, published by a newspaper of Buenos Aires. Possibly I found photographs of its act to send you. Cesar Ortega. fliaortega@netverk.com.ar
    Reply: 09 August, 2005 - Hello, your message #723 ,said that you studied acrobatics in Sarasota 1950s. I am looking for information about my uncle Billy Pape and his wife/partner Renee, they were an acrobatic act during the 30s & 40s and maybe into the early 50s, he also had trained show dogs. Do you have any recollection of them as they lived in the Sarasota circus community as an older couple. thank you patricia, patvin49@aol.com
    Reply: 11 August, 2005 - Hi, Vicki lives in Sarasota, Florida. She may possibly be reached through Showfolks of Sarasota.com. Jeanette Williams (Entertainment Management)(a link) is a friend of hers. Hope this helps BunniB1


722. Ringling Bros & Barnum & Bailey Poster, 19 July, 2005 - Good morning! I'm looking for information on an old Ringling Bros & Barnum & Bailey circus poster we found several years ago (about 10 years ago). It has the tag line "These Trains More Than One and One Third Mile Long Loaded With Ten Thousand Wonders From Every Land." We have been unable to find any information online about this poster and because of that are very curious about it's history (not the value ~ to us, a gift from myself to my hubby while dating, it is priceless!!). Our questions are thus . . . what period is it from? We know that it is after Ringling and B&B joined forces, as it says "Combined Circus." What route might it be from? It was acquired in VA, in the Manassas area, but we know that memorabilia travels. If not a reproduction (we have no clue ~ it feels stiff, almost like a canvas or linen), how was it printed? We are ardent fans of the R&B&B Circus. My husband especially, as he grew up only miles away from their museum and retreat here in FL. And I as a graphic artist am enthralled by the level of detail and the graphic composition of the poster. Too, I just love old lithographs(?) in general! Thank you very much for your time and consideration! Very respectfully, Connie Pierce, pierceillus@knology.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 21 July, 2005 - The "Combined Circus" title variation was used in the 1930s, during the management of Samuel Gumpertz. The 1930s RBBB trains lithograph was derived from another issued during the 1920s. It was not uncommon for lithos to be used for several consecutive seasons. An original would be in either one sheet size (approx. 28" x 42") or half-sheet (approx. 21" x 28"). Anything significantly varying from those dimensions is likely a reprint. It's also possible that it might have been issued as a window card, printed on cardboard stock. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 21 July, 2005 - Circuses that used railroad transportation reached its apogee when in 1947 Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Combined Circus had 109 cars. Jack Rennert mentions in his book 100 YEARS OF CIRCUS POSTERS (FLARE BOOKS/AVON 1974). Circus posters and billboards played up to this appeal for the railroad. The most panoramic of all was probably the 1925 Ringling 100 railway Cars Show poster which showed an endless stream of unloading cars, as far as the eye could see, and announced "these trains more than one and one-third miles long, loaded with ten thousand wonders from every land." (P 14) In 1925, THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH route included New York, Pennsylvania, District of Columbia, Ohio, Massachusetts, Quebec, Ontario, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina and South Carolina. That the poster "feels stiff, almost like a canvas or linen" indicates that it is of museum quality especially treated for purpose of conservation. If you want to know more about circus trains I recommend Circus World Museum's TRAINS OF THE CIRCUS by Fred Dahlinger, Jr. (Iconographix 2000) The cover is a adaptation of the poster in question. The circus train poster was probably printed by The Strobridge Litho. Co., Cincinnati, Ohio.- Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 25 July, 2005 - As Fred Dahlinger mentions, a original poster would be a one sheet size (28" x 42") or half-sheet (21" x 28"). However, in 1922 the Strobridge Litho Company of Cincinnati, Ohio produced a courier for Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey. While the design was similar to the 1925 poster there is some differences. - Giovanni Iuliani


721. Billy North, bareback rider, 19 July, 2005 - Searching for any info (year) that the Worlds Fair was held at Madison Square Garden when a Billy North that rode bareback with the circus that performed at Madison Square Garden for the last time, he was said to be one of the best but died later that night after a fall from his horse and being trampled by him. Family Folklore says late 1800s. I'm wondering if Levi North from your site died in this manner maybe they are connected or one in the same. Dianne. Mcgeesgirl@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 21 July, 2005 - Family legends sometimes contain a kernel of truth, but also much inaccurate information and embellishment. No bonafide "world's fair" was ever staged in Madison Square Garden. That may simply have been a generic description, as often appeared in Barnum show titles. William Slout's encyclopedia of 19th century circus personnel "Olympians of the Sawdust Circle" has no entry for a Billy North but says this about Willie North: "Rider. Pupil of Levi J. North. Dan Rice's 1851; Welch's, 1852; Levi J. North's 1853-1860." Levi North (Sr.) had an extensive and mostly stellar circus career as a rider and proprietor, born June 16, 1814, died July 6, 1885 in Brooklyn, NY. There was also a Levi North, Jr., 1854?-April 18, 1867, a rider, died of consumption at Columbus, IN. If your "Billy" North was involved in a New York area mishap, try doing a name search in the indexes of monumental George C. D. Odell's "Annals of the New York Stage" or via the ProQuest website for the "New York Times." A good local or state librarian should be able to assist you in locating these resources. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 25 July, 2005 - Thank you Fred. This is a very good lead and I will take your advise. I really appreciate this information. Dianne


720. Snelson, high diver, 17 July, 2005 - I am trying to find out any information on the Snelsons who were in the circus at one time. I have a very old picture of J. C. Snelson as a high diver. The picture states he went by the capt. j. c. Snelson. Also his wife was a fortune teller in the circus. Her name was Dorothy (Smith) Snelson. I would appreciate any information you have on them. Thanks, Sherry, sherstev@locallink.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

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719. Single-ring Russian circuses, 17 July, 2005 - Single-ring travelling Russian circuses - where do they go? I have been able to gather information about where these small circuses travel inside of Russia, but do they travel to other countries or winter in places other than Russia. I've heard of one wintering in Bahrain - is this common? Thanks. J. Andrekson. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - When Philip Astley first conceived of the circus ring it was to serve for the presentation of horses. Human performers followed and through trials and errors the discovery of centrifugal forces aided in the presentation of certain acts. The popularity of this particular form of entertainment required bigger tents around 1830's. The American big top extended itself. This meant adding more rings. The limit was set at 3 rings and as much as 5. It also added stages. Attendance was as high as 15,000. Meanwhile, in Europe, the one ring format inside a higher tent able to seat 5-6000 people. Russian circuses prefer the one ring format and while few of their circuses are under the big top most use permanent buildings made especially for the circus. The downfall of the communist system in 1989 brought about a major disruption in the state operated circuses. Suddenly some 130 circuses were faced with the choice of closing or operating without any funds. This brought a exodus of Russian circus performers. The western world market soon was flooded and many producers suffered losses. Many Russian performers ended up delivering pizza and working on construction. Among the most notorious "Russian" circus is The Stars of the World Famous Moscow State Circus. Starting in Canada in 2001, Cornell "Tuffy" Nicholas was instrumental in presenting former Soviet circus performers and tours the United States of America ever since. That a former Russian circus winters in Bahrain is not unusual. Throughout the world there exist many Russian circuses, The days of the supremacy of the Moscow State Circus are over. Without state support the making of extraordinary circus acts is a thing of the past. Ex-athletes of Olympic quality no longer end in soviet circuses. Instead, its the Cirque du Soleil who recruits them. Meanwhile, Normand Latourelle, the man behind Cavalia, eliminated the circus ring so as to give the horses a wider space to roam. - Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 20 July, 2005 - I heard a while back of an accident in a Russian circus in Bahrein, but don't know the details. There are plenty of Russian one ring circuses travelling here in different countries in Europe but these are mostly locally owned and made up of Russian artists and Russian numbers. Usually to add credibility they will bear the old legend 'State Circus' but mostly this is nonsense. Holland for instance has two Russian circuses. Artists are 80% Russian, rest Romanian and Mongolian, but most animal numbers Dutch or German. crew mostly Polish, one is the Russian State Circus owned by Ilja Schmidt (Half Russian, Dutch) and the other is the Moscow State Circus owned by Hans Martens (Dutch circus, a cousin of Boltini's). Natasha Gerson


718. 101 Ranch, 1914, 17 July, 2005 - Does anyone have an idea which ship the 101 Ranch Wild West Show sailed on when it came to England in 1914, as I really need to check the passenger lists. Thanks. mike.carey28@btinternet.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - Dear Mike: The New York Times, May 1, 1914, Pg 5, reports: "In the steerage of the SS Philadelphia there will be more than fifty American Indians, who are going to London to take part in the "Wild West" show at the Anglo-American exposition by the 101 Ranch. Chief Yellow Thunder will be in charge of the Indians, among whom are Red Shirt, Little Bull, Spotted Weasel, Running Horse, and Spotted Horse." You might want to note that on Friday, June 6, 1914, at 10 AM, the SS Philadelphia left New York with additional riders for the 101 Ranch. This included Luka Chkhartishvili and three other "Cossacks." Regards, and good luck. P.S. If you get a list of names, I would appreciate your sharing them with me. Richard Georgian, rgeorgian@comcast.net
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - If no one provides the answer, you might check weekly issues of "Billboard" or "New York Clipper" magazine for the information. If you can access the ProQuest website for the "New York Times," it's possible that a key word search within it might also provide the vessel's name. You might also check older and recent book-length histories of the Ranch for the desired information. A photo of the London set up is in "Billboard," July 25, 1914, page 4. The September 5 issue advised that the British government bought the horses for the war effort, taking 40 head. The show began to dwindle until the remainder of the horses were required. The outfit sailed for home about Sept. 1, with the rest following on the 10th. Another option is to wade through the Ranch files at the Univ. of Oklahoma at Norman. Chang Reynolds' extensive article about the first edition of the traveling 101 Ranch operation, in the Jan-Feb 1969 issue of "Bandwagon," doesn't provide an answer, but it has much other information of interest about the Millers and their various operations. Fred Dahlinger


717. Female acrobats on horses, 12 July, 2005 - I'm looking for old black and white photos featuring female acrobats on horses. Do you any advice for me? Thanks, Tijn Po. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 17 July, 2005 - Check the Kelty Pic's. David Orr
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - Are you seeking photographs of female acrobats on horseback, female equestriennes or female pad or bareback riders? There's a big difference. C. P. Fox's older book, "Performing Horses," might provide a start. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 14 August, 2005 - Hi, My family were "Bareback Riders". I have old black and white photos of my family and sister from the 1950's. Some from Europe and my sister with Ringling Bro's. 1955-56. Erny Karoly, ErnyK@aol.com


716. William Smart, elephant handler?, 12 July, 2005 - I hope you can answer this question. I recently met someone who claims to have been the handler for Flora the elephant from Circus Flora. His name is William Smart. Any truth to this or is he pulling my leg? Thanks in advance for your response. Robin. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 17 July, 2005 - Go to www.circusflora.org and lodge a question at their website. So long as confirmation of employment would not violate the laws of privacy, Mr. Balding should be able to confirm or refute Mr. Smart's statement. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - Bill Smart did work for Circus Flora as a horse groom and elephant handler for about two years while he was married to my niece, Sabrina Jewell. They have been divorced for years. As far as I know, he has not worked with animals since he left us. I hope this answers your question. Ivor David Balding, Artistic Director/Producer, Circus Flora

    Reply: 20 Aug 2007 - Hi, I'm an old friend of Bill Smart's and am looking for a way to contact him. I knew him when he worked for Circus Flora - I have been composer for circus Flora since 1988. Miriam Cutler, mir.cut@verizon.net

    Reply: 06 Dec 2008 - Does anyone know how to get in touch with William Smart? We're making a film about Flora the elephant and would love to talk to him about his days working with her. Cristina Colissimo colissimo@sbcglobal.net


715. 4 Ramses, acrobats, 12 July, 2005 - Has anyone seen or heard of an acrobatic group named The 4 Ramses? They were billed as " egyptian acrobats", featured a woman understander, and appeared on variety shows like "Toast of the Town" during the late 40's, early 50's. If so, can you tell me a little about them? peepingdave@earthlink.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 22 Nov 2009 - Hello. Found your message by accident. Not sure if I find the site agian so pls email me. I think that we are talking about the same Ramses brothers. Bibi, the girl, and the three brothers Gamal, Mimo and Fauzie. Is that who you are looking for? I am Gamal's stepdaughter. Sylviane, sylvianeq@gmail.com


714. Fat Lady, 12 July, 2005 - I am looking for information on a person who was supposed to be employed as a fat lady in a circus. Her given name was Minerva or Minnie Boil, Hardy or Hardesty. Show name and circus affiliation is unknown. Time frame probably sometime between 1910 - 1960. linda worden, Covington, IN, kweirdone@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - Try this: www.circusmuseum.nl/index.php?option=com_memorix&Itemid=26&task=res ult&PHPSESSID=8d2332719c2771f2f6eeac954fdb15dd. hvoogd@teylersmuseum.nl


713. 1960s circus, 10 July, 2005 - Can anyone direct me to a general description of an average circus in the 1960s? Thanks, 2121hap@newnorth.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 12 July, 2005 - What specifically do you want to know? And a circus from where? Big or small? Natasha Gerson
    Reply: 12 July, 2005 - I'd recommend reading the reviews of various circuses that appeared in the pages of "Bandwagon" and "White Tops" in the 1960s. Some of the reviews cover equipment, the performance, staff, etc., offering a relatively comprehensive overview of a 1960s circus operation. Likely at the time an "average" circus would have been a motorized show appearing under a canvas top with a three ring performance. Side shows and menageries were pretty much gone, but a pit show or small attraction, as well as a pony sweep or moon bounce may have been present. Fred Dahlinger
    Reply: 18 August, 2005 - I was on circuses in the 1960's. None had menageries but all had side shows and one or two pit shows. None had petting zoos, that came in the late 1970's - 1980's as side shows faded.
          Except for several large circuses like the Clyde Beatty-Cole Bros., Kelly-Miller, and the Cristiani Circus most of the the dozen or so tent shows used 80 foot big tops with three 30's or 40 foot middles. Sides shows were usually 60 foot or 50 foot round end tops with two 20's or two 30's foot middles. Except on the big shows where the big tops and side show were often bale ring tops the tops on smaller shows were push pole tops and in many cases never unlaced. Most shows carried spool trucks to roll up the canvas to save unlacing it. Two shows that were similar were the King Bros Circus and the Sells and Gray Circus owned by the partners that owned the Beatty Show. Bill English who ran S and G was also a third owner in it. These shows were framed on ten trucks or so. Both moved at night. The cookhouse fed an early supper around three and then tore down and went to the next town. When you got up a 7:30 -8 PM the cookhouse was serving breakfast before you started work. These shows were Florida based.
          There were numerous tent shows out of Hugo, Okla. they moved in the morning and breakfast was a combination lunch and breakfast around 11 a.m. after the big top was up. Kelly-Miller which had been one of the biggest tent shows on trucks was winding down, helped by some IRS tax problems. However, Carson and Barnes was going strong. These Hugo shows were designed to move fast. They got up each day with the butchers and town help plus a couple of working men and a boss canvas man. Several punk pushers worked five or six town kids each and they hauled out the seats, ring curbs, etc.
          In 1969 when Dory Miller took over Carson and Barnes after Jack Moore died (he and Dory had been partners) Dory put a menagerie tent on the show, an 80 with 3-30's. For a couple of months I put it up each day. I also had the inside stand with Bob Raborn. Somedays it was too late to get the small cages from the two cage acts into the menagerie and to picket the bulls in there. People came out of the marquee (n semi-trailer) and into the menagerie top. The only thing in there was our concession stand at the far end by the connection to the big top. In July-August the show was down to about six working men plus about ten butchers who were moving the thing. Plus about five guys on the bulls. Freddy Logan was a work horse over there, saw that the top got up, worked the bulls and a cage act. Donnie Carr worked the other cage act. The show opened with two cage acts, it was a five ring show and featured Sky King. Everybody did about ten jobs!
          Things were smoother over on the Eastern shows, for one thing both King and Sells and Gray were smaller. I was on Sells and Gray several years from June through Sept. when I was in high school. Again like most of these shows the butchers moved it. On Sells and Gray we opened up the shows two bannerline semis, put up the marquee, put up the long side reserve seats and hung the side wall. Then we put up our individual concession stands. One of the bannerline semis was a sleeper; the band and side show performers over the fifth wheel and 12 bunks for candy butchers in the back. The tractor that pulled it had the water tank mounted on it and it was unhooked each day and made numerous trips to town to get water. The other semi carried lead stock - camels, llamas, the ponies for the pony ride. For a couple of seasons Sells and Gray also carried a pit show in a tent - Spidora illusion. Most shows carried at least a snake pit show.
          The side show was transported on the front spool of the spool truck. It was unrolled off the truck after the big top came off. A side show boss canvasman and two helpers plus one of the bulls put it up. The show had two elephants. The poles, stakes and inside stages plus the bally and two tix boxes were carried on a semi- truck that also had about five compartment cages for small animals. These cages only came half way across the bed of the truck leaving room for the poles, side wall etc. to be loaded.
          The big top poles were carried above the stringer semi for the reserve seat stringers and bibles. The seat jacks went in a compartment in the front of this semi. A small straight truck carried the wooden chairs for the grandstand. Another semi carried the two working elephants. One semi carried stringers, seat planks, and jacks for the blues. Another semi carried the show's generator in the back and had bunks up front for a dozen workers. A small trailer carried a restroom, one half for women and the other half for men. The marquee was loaded in one of the stall sides. The ticket/office semi also carried the concessions and a lot of stock. The office portion was about ten feet in the back end. The back doors opened up and braced and patrons had access to the ticket window cut in the middle of the back wall. The concessions and people going to the office on business entered through a side door on the right hand side of the semi-trailer. Scotty the electrician slept in his car. There were maybe eight - ten house trailer units in the show.
          The cookhouse was on a Wells Cargo trailer and pulled by a straight truck where the cook and dishwasher/waiters slept. The cookhouse was a 20 x 40. Each dept. was assigned a table in the cookhouse, management, acts, workmen, butchers. You tipped the waiter each week and the size of the tip reflected in the amount and the quality of the jams, butter, syrup, etc. on your table. If you gave the cook ten cents in the morning he gave you a half pail of hot water to shave and bath in.
          The show had a three piece band most times- trumpet, organ, drums. It was in three rings with reserve chairs( 7 high) on the long side and general admission seats - 9 highs in the ends and on the short side. There were some good acts and except for juggling or swinging ladder or webs there were seldom any three ring displays. Johnny Golden had his cat act over there one season, one of the few times they had a cage act on the show.
          Gates were held on the front door until the side show had a good shot at the crowd. The years I was there Stu Miller ran the side show with his wife Pat. She worked a big snake and did the blade box. Stu did Punch and Judy and made the openings. Alex Linton swallowed swords and a lady from one of the back yard families was the electric girl. Inside the top was a platform for the acts and another one for the blade box plus the shows two bulls, a couple of camels, donkey and llamas plus the cage semi. One year the show also had a hippo in a cage semi in there.
          In 1964 Dick McGloughlin had the stands and the main stand was a 20 x 30 top. It had a grill for hot dogs and a soda machine (cooled with chopped ice and using pre-mix tanks). Noble Sims also worked the candy apples and snow. The snow machine was on the counter at one end. The popcorn machine also went on an end counter. On the midway was a small floss stand and a novelty stand. Later the show switched to individual stands. About 12 x 12 joints with red and white striped canvas (early vinyl). Snow and apples in one and popcorn in another. The floss still went in the center of the midway as did the novelty joint. Inside the tent was a flukum joint (orange and grape drink). When Johhny Walker had the stands a small diner trailer was parked on the midway and he also furnished a school bus that was made with bunks inside for the butchers. This was pretty typical of shows like Sells and Gray, King Bros. Von Bros. Hagen Bros., etc.
          Also among the tenters in the 1970's were some smaller shows using 60 foot round big tops with three 30 middles and small square side show tops. (30 x 50). Clark and Walters run by the Silverlake family was a real nice trick that made a lot of money. Had two bulls, then one. Carried a pit show on the midway. Three rings but mostly family doing the show. These shows were on 5-8 trucks. Also at this time Mel Silverlake had out Fisher Bros. A small show on about five trucks, one bull, 60 with a 30' middle for big top, five high, one jack seats. Small side show in a small square end top. Used a combination concession truck and ticket wagon. Did nothing but business in small 500-800 population towns that hadn't seen a circus since wagon shows! This show inspired me and a lot of others to put out a show. Al Stencell


712. Hispanic Circus, 10 July, 2005 - I live in Maryland and recently on June 29, 2005, there was a circus that performed in Martinsburg, West VA. I think it may be called the Hendrix Family Circus, or the Henderson Family Circus. It seems it is an all Hispanic Circus. My question is do they have a posted schedule of where they will be next? I called the Chambers of Commerce in West VA, and they didn't have any information on them. I am hoping you can help me! Sincerely, Renee Rogers. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 17 July, 2005 - If you clarify the specific purpose of your need for information, it's possible that someone may be able to assist you in your search. Fred Dahlinger


711. Amazing Mazurs, 10 July, 2005 - I'm searching for any history in print or on film of my father who did perform on at least one of the "Super Circus" shows in the late 50's. His trapeze duo act was called The Amazing Mazurs. My Dad, Mike (Miroslaw) Tumilowicz and his partner Nick Moskal (still living - in Ohio) came over from London and joined different circuses including Ringling Bros. I would be overjoyed to hear or see any tidbits you may have on him or their act. London timetable: 1953-57 U.S.; Tampa, Atlanta, New Jersey, East coast, many Eastern states: 1957-59. Thank you in advance! Gratefully, Stan Tumilowicz, Roscoe, IL. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 28 May 2008 - Stan, Regarding your post on the Amazing Mazurs, there is some brief film footage of them at a blogsite entitled Yesterdays’ Towns (www.yesterdaystowns.blogspot.com/). Go to the archives and click on November, 2007, about 2/3 of the way down you should find what you’re looking for. I enjoyed watching the brief clip of your father in action by the way, if you have any trouble locating the film contact the site’s owner, Bill Strong. Sincerely, George Everson, Lynchburg, Virginia


710. Emmett, clown, 10 July, 2005 - Do you have a jpg of Emmett carrying the water bucket in clown costume? All I have is a newpaper clipping, and it's getting very faded. I cannot scan it, it's terrible. don_breuler@hotmail.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - Hello. Can I ask you why you are interested in the picture of Emmett? Thanks, Ron
    Reply: 17 July, 2005 - The most dramatic picture taken of America's Greatest Circus Tragedy was that of "Weary Willy" the famous clown tramp carrying a water bucket. He rescued people during a matinee performance of the Greatest Show On Earth as the fire raged inside the big top in Hartford, Connecticut in 1944. You can find this unique picture of Emmett Kelly in most books written about the day the clowns cried. - Giovanni Iuliani
    Reply: 19 July, 2005 - The phrase "the day the clowns cried" originated with a magazine article ["Reader's Digest"?] published some time after the 1944 tragedy. Fred Dahlinger

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709. Art LaRue, 10 July, 2005 - I am looking for information on "Keystone Cop" and "Circus Cop" Art LaRue. I am also looking for info on the Flying DeWaynes, Clyde Beatty's circus 1946. I have just located a number of photos from April of 1946 of Clyde Beatty's Circus & some of the performers. I desire to share the photos with Circus Historical societies & want to have the names avail on the photos. I also have a film from 1949 of the Yankee Patterson Big Top Circus. Has fantastic footage of performers & A trained seal act that worked with the Yankee Patterson Big Top; "Captain Winston (SP:?) the seals were named Sissy, Joe & Slicker. Please help with ANY article copies, information of any type, Magazines with info forsale, Please contact me A.S.A.P.; bozo_history@yahoo.com Thank you Thomas Holbrook. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 11 June, 2006 - Do you have anything on the Great Velarde circus performers? The are and were my brothers and sisters. Thanks, Dora, ABUEGRAMM@aol.com

    Reply: 12 September, 2006 - Dorra, Thank you for contacting me. But, still nothing has come my way even after countless emails. So, I imagine the history on Eleanor and your family will not be recorded & will be lost to time. Sorry, that it seems that way with no reply. Tom Holbrook


708. Australian Williams Family, 10 July, 2005 - Im looking for any info or anyone who knew the Australian Williams Family, which was Philip (Joey the Clown), Pearl, Jack & Millie. Millie was a bare back rider. We are giving here a big party and would like to find any info on any of them. Please mail me if anyone can help. Millie was Born 1914 and so we are looking at the 30's onward. mabcompservices@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 14 July, 2005 - Charlie Williams was with our show when we toured western Australia in 1958. He was a very good clown there may be some link. robert perry murray bridge australia


707. Ringling or Barnum Bailey, 1937, 10 July, 2005 - Did the Ringling or Barnum Bailey circus come to Chico California in 1937, if so, can anyone give me the exact date??? Thanks. carolreinhardt@promarkwest.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - RBBB was not in California in 1937, or any time 1935-1938. They were in CA in 1934 but did not play Chico. RBBB-owned Hagenbeck-Wallace (except 1936, when it was off the road) or Al G. Barnes might have played there. If you're interested in a specific Chico event, known to have taken place in 1937, you might want to scan the daily newspapers for the city for the spring to early fall months. It would have carried advertisements for the shows visiting the communities. A scan of the weekly issues of "Billboard" magazine, or the Circus Fans Association magazine, "White Tops," might similarly reveal information of interest. Fred Dahlinger


706. Powers - aerialists, clowns/comedians, 10 July, 2005 - Am seeking any information regarding Earl Powers and/or Maude Powers who worked with the circus early 1900s as aerialists and/or clowns/comedians. Sandra Powers Werner, HWCSANDY@aol.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


705. Wild West Indian Show, 10 July, 2005 - Wild West Indian Show with "Kentucky Frank" and "Little Fawn" Does anyone know anything about this Wild West-type show? Frank and Jennie (SUMPTION) RUSSELL had an Indian band with eleven members. Frank was known as "Kentucky Frank." He was a fancy rifle shot and a long-haired cowboy. Jennie was known as "Little Fawn." Also they were fancy western leather workers. One of the places it is believed that they held their show is in the old theater in Elkhart, IN which has since burned down. The estimated time frame is 1875 - 1900. I would greatly appreciate any information on the above. Thank you. G.B.Davis, gbdavis@pronet.net. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.

    Reply: 21 Nov 2008 - While doing some research, I just stumbled across your post from July 10, 2005, regarding the Wild West Indian Show with "Kentucky Frank." My great uncle, Napoleon Bonaparte Musgrave, was a part of “Kentucky Frank’s” wild west show. Although I don’t have a great deal of information about him or his work in the show, published newspaper accounts record that he was “tall and fair, with long hair reaching to his waist. He was a member of a traveling show with "Kentucky Frank" an old showman, and though he left the show after coming to Carter County, he continued to wear his hair long for several years, plaiting it into braids.” He was born 1866, and died March 19, 1957 in Carter county, Kentucky. If anyone is interested, I can point them to a website that has a copy of his photo showing his long flowing hair. (T.Jordan)


704. Loretta the Snake Charmer, 10 July, 2005 - I am trying to find information on a woman by the name of Loretta who was a snake charmer. At different times she had these last names: Richardson, Peterson and Terry. Her daughter also later joined the circus. Her name was Geneva (or Gene) Terry. I don't know what Gene did in the Circus. And I don't know what circus they were in. I know that they originally were from Harlan, Kentucky. And I do know that they worked along with these people in the circus they were in: Dick Hilburn who was known as "The Half Man" and Carl Norwood who was known as "Frog Boy". If anyone can give me any information on these people I would greatly appreciate it. And if there are any photos that would be amazing. I am doing this for Gene's daughter. My name is Melanie and here is my email address: kelmelanie@yahoo.com. Thanks. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.


703. Jimmy Woods All American Circus, 10 July, 2005 - Jimmy Woods All American Circus (Yankee Patterson Big Top) 1949. Any info on performers, programs, posters, anything! Please let me know where to look or how to gain copies of your info. I will credit all for their help. Please email me A.S.A.P. Thomas Holbrook, bozo_history@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - There was an article about Jim Wood (no "s") and his 1945 Yankee Patterson outfit in "Bandwagon" in the Nov-Dec 1966 issue. Other information might be in the 1949 issues of "Billboard" and "White Tops," as well as local newspapers where the circus exhibited. Fred Dahlinger


702. Clown, 05 July, 2005 - There was a clown who was frequently featured on The Ed Sullivan Show. He wore very baggy clothes and the highlight of his act was assembling a small train which he then filled with bunches of bananas. He somehow produced all of these bananas from out of his clothing. He then rode this banana-laden train off stage as his finale. I also remember him riding a miniature bicycle. Does anyone know the name of this "banana" clown? Where was he from? Whatever happened to him? Any info would be appreciated. rickwhelan@sympatico.ca. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - The name of the original performer of that act was A. Robin. If I remember correctly another fellow bought the act. He was originally in vaudeville known as "A. Robin, The Banana Man." Occassionally Turner Classic Movies plays a short film called "Seeing Red" (as in Red Skelton) during which you can see A. Robin's entire act. Amazing. I found this link on the banana man... alpha.furman.edu/~bryson/BananaMan/BananaHistory.html. bakeliteradio@operamail.com
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - I recall the act appearing often on the Sullivan show, the Sealtest Big Top, and I believe early Captain Kangaroo shows in the 1950s and early 60's. I'm not sure of the performer's name, my guess is H. A. Robbins, Jr. Evidently, it was a second generation vaudeville act. Robbins would begin with a trunk that he would fill with bunches of "bananas" and "watermelons" pulled out of his pockets. The trunk was a series of boxes stacked together. He'd fill one box, pull it out, and begin to fill another. The entire time Robbins was producing bananas he would, hum, whistle, or hoot. The act's finale came after a series of boxes were full he would flip up a few panels on the largest trunk creating a locomotive. Robbins would pull out an engineer's cap, put in on, and "drive" the train of boxes off stage or out of the ring. The mention of the Banana Man brings back fond memories for many of us in the AARP generation. Jim Alexander
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - There are several websites about the "Banana Man," whose name I have seen both as "A Robbins" and "A Robins." According to a great writeup by Bruce "Charlie" Johnson, the man's name at birth was Adolph Proper and he lived from about 1886 until December 17, 1950. Johnson notes that at least one other performer did a similar act under a similar name after the original's death. It may have been this copy-artist whom I saw perform on TV in the mid-1950s. Regards, Ole Dave


701. Silverlake/Lake, trapeze, 05 July, 2005 - We are looking for information on Beatrice (Pea) Silverlake or Lake, a performer in the circus. She was a trapeze artist. Married to Archie Silverlake, brother of Arthur Silverlake (played Dagwood Bumstead on Blondie). She was born in Indiana, USA. Think she passed away in 1940s. j_ervine@hotmail.com. Respond to this message, your reply goes to this board, not to the sender.
    Reply: 11 July, 2005 - I don't have any information on Beatrice Silverlake, but I do on Archie Silverlake. He had a twin brother, who was Arthur Lake's father. The Silverlake Brothers were on Gollmar Bros and Schuman in 1902 and Downie and Wheeler in 1911. This was likely Archie Silverlake and Arthur Lake's father. The Silverlake's are listed on M L Clark and Sons in 1910 and on Signor Sautelle in 1913. The Flying Silverlakes are listed on LaTena in 1914 and the Silverlakes (3) arerialists were on LaRoy's Circus in 1922. The Silverlake Trio is mentioned with the Mighty Haag Shows in 1929 and 1933, Tiger Bills Wild West 1932, Almond and Conley 1934, and Kay Bros 1934. The 1934 Kay Bros program lists the Silverlake Trio and also Miss Billy Silverlake on the web. Archie Silverlake was probably the lead member and Brownie Silverlake, his son, may have helped with the act. I'm not sure if Billy was Archie's wife, but she left the Mighty Haag Shows in 1933 and was on Kay Bros in 1934 with Archie. If you find any information on Beatrice, I would like to know. Thanks, Darren Bryan in Georgia, darrenrx@bellsouth.net
    Reply: 21 November, 2005 - Hi - I a distant neice to Beatrice Pea Silverlake. (Her real name was Vernice Pea). I don't have much information on her either. I have been told by a family member that she was murdered by her husband back in the 1930's or 1940's. Marilyn (Dawn) Huff
    Reply: 30 November, 2005 - Do you know when she married Archie Silverlake and how long their marriage lasted? I wonder if she was a member of the flying Silverlakes or the Silverlake Trio? Do you know which husband was said to have murdered her? Thanks, Darren Bryan in Georgia, darrenrx@bellsouth.net

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