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1800. Bandwagon - Concello, Logan, 20 March, 2007 - In today's mail I received two back issues of the magazine Bandwagon. One has a complete story of Art Concello and the other a complete story of Fred Logan. Being a broadcast journalist for well over 30 years I can proof read as well as the next one and I have speed read both articles and Art was a true leader and in my humble opinion knew as much or more than JRN. Fred Logan was such a gracious man who let me interview him one sunny afternoon back in 1979 on the Clyde Beatty-Cole Bros. back lot. I wish I could have interviewed both Art and JRN. That was not to be. I subscribe to many magazines including the American Theatre Organ Society, American Railroading, and will soon mail a check to Bandwagon to subscribe as well. Great magazine and very interesting reading. Maybe a future issue will do an article on maestro Merle Evans. Hint? LOL! All My Best, Craig Johnson, Lock Haven, Pa. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1799. Book, 18 March, 2007 - I am looking for the title of a book that I believe was published in the 1950’s. I had this book when I was a little girl. It had several stories in it. I remember on that was about a circus train wreck. I know this is very little to go on, but I would appreciate any help you might be able to give me to locate this book. Thanks so much, Sharon Roddy. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 09 Aug 2008 - Meet toby tyler? Ken Uveges, kenneuv@optonline.net

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1798. Lahader, trapeze, 19 March, 2007 - Seeking information on Mary Lahader - Lahassen (or Lahadar) and husband who were trapeze artists in the era of the 20's. They had a son named George who was born in 1925. That is all of the information that I have. Bulldogsromeo@aol.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1797. Big John Strong circus, 18 March, 2007 - My husband and I traveled with Big John Strong's circus in 1977 as documentary photographers. It was one of the most amazing and wonderful experiences of my life. I would love to know if anyone is or was in contact with them since that time or if there are any members of his circus on this board. I found some information on the net and Big John's passing. He was a great man and I loved the entire crew. Dona Tracy, donatracy@hotmail.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1796. Carved figure, 18 March, 2007 - I have a carved eastern figure probably a clown that stood above a door from 1900 or so with lights in the eyes I am trying to find a picture since it is missing the top of the head where the light was and I am not sure what went there, maybe from the Peking circus if anyone knows of such a figure (5-6 feet) I would appreciate it. Lynnda. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1795. Flying Concellos, 17 March, 2007 - In what years were The Flying Concellos a major act with The Big One? Thank You. Best, Craig Johnson, Lock Haven, Pa. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 20 March, 2007 - Hello All: In today's mail I received a past Bandwagon magazine with the complete timeline for the Flying Concellos when they were with The Big One. Best, Craig Johnson

    Reply: 23 March, 2007 - My "Twentieth Century Circus People, 1901-1950 (Lingdales Press, Formby, 2003) contains the following entry; - CONCELLOS, Flying. Aerialists. American. Antoinette (nee Comeau) and her husband Everett White 'Art' Vas Concello (married in 1928), disciples of Alfredo Codona. Noted for their dazzling triple somersaults from one trapeze to another. With Bertram Mills' circuses, at Olympia, in 1932-33 and 1934-35. Antoinette, tiny and glittering on the high trapeze, did a double and a half somersault, and at the half-turn was caught by Art who swung out to meet her in mid-air, hanging from the bar by his feet. They seemed to defy all the laws of gravitation. In the mid 1930s consisted of two men and a girl including Antoinette's brother Mickey King. When at Olympia, they received more editorial publicity than any previous circus act. Said to be the world's highest paid circus artistes. Mrs Jane Poro, mother of Antoinette Concello and Mickey King, died on 23rd April 1953. Art Concello, who became the legendary manager of the Ringling circus in the USA, died on 4th July 2001, at Sarasota, Florida, aged 89 years. His wife Antoinette was Ringlings' aerial director for many years. Is this of any interest? Because I am interested in the history of circuses in Britain I include the Flying Concellos because of their appearances with Bertram Mills, at Olympia, London. The 'Bandwagon' will give more details of their career with the 'Big One'. John Turner.

    Reply: 24 March, 2007 - Thank You John very much. Was there ever a big top as large or nearly as large as Big Bertha in England? Best, Craig

    Reply: 12 Oct 2009 - Hello: Read the article Circus Historical society and wish to suggest that the mention of Mickey King was NOT a brother of Antoinette Comeau Concello. Mickey King was her sister who also appeared in King Circus as an aerialist. Google her. They were fearless women and were my Aunts thru marriage. Joan. thanks

    Reply: 16 Oct 2009 - Hi Joan, Mickey King was my mother's - Lorraine Valentine - best friend. Mickey is buried here in Bloomington, Illinois, along with her sisters Antoinette Concello, Rose Alma Ward, and their little brother, Ernest, and their father and mother. I designed Mickey's tombstone. Mickey always called the grave site as her "little haven." You can look them up on Findagrave.com. I have made memorials to them, along with their tombstone photos. Their father is listed under Toussaint Comeau, and mother under Jane Hudson Comeau. Mickey is listed as Gertrude "Mickey" King. I would love to hear from you. Please write me at cdvalen@ilstu.edu. God Bless, Cherie Valentine

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1794. Circus Kirk, 16 March, 2007 - I am attempting to compile a list of circuses that have played in Pittsfield, MA over the years. I have many entries and the project is progressing nicely. However, I've been told the Circus Kirk played in Pittsfield during the 1977 season but I can find no confirming reference. My search has produced nothing. Perhaps I have the wrong year. I'd be pleased to hear from someone who has pertinent information. Thank-you. Richard Hamilton, Circus Historical Society #4120, Circus Fans of America #8235. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 17 March, 2007 - I was on the Kirk in 1973, 1974, and 1975. In 1973 we didn't touch New England. In 1974 I don't have Pittsfield listed but I do have 4 open dates. It's possible we worked it but it wasn't on the season route sheet. In 1975, we were scheduled to play Lenox, Mass. on August 1st but ended up in Pittsfield instead. So Aug. 1, 1975 is definite. I don't have a copy of the 1976 or 1977 routes but I will certainly ask a couple people that might. Bob Cline

    Reply: 21 March, 2007 - Bob; Thank you very much for your reply to my inquiry message #1794. I now believe the August 1, 1975 date is what I've been looking for. I think I was mistaken about the year 1977. Thanks again. Dick Hamilton

    Reply: 21 Feb 2008 - I was on the Kirk during the 1970 season. Bryan Crawford

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1793. Trapeze artist Tafala, 15 March, 2007 - Hello, my name is Nick. My grandfather was born in Nigeria and is of Black descent and performed in the U.S as a trapeze artist for the 3-ring brothers circus. His name was Benjamin Muhammad Tafala. He was in the news paper in Denver for being the first one to ever complete 3 flips in the air without a net in 1959-1960. there was also a newspaper article that had my grandfather and grandmother were in and it was titled "local girl marries circus performer". If you could find anything on him it would be very much appreciated. Nick. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1792. Baltimore Sun article, 15 March, 2007 - In today’s Baltimore Sun [March 14] there is an article The Family Circus by Joe Burris along with an interactive and a Nicole Feld photo gallery. RG. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1791. Popcorn vendor, 15 March, 2007 - My grandson will be performing as a popcorn vendor is his school play. However, parents are responsible for their children's outfit. I do not remember what popcorn vendors wore, could you please inform me so that his outfit is correct. Thanks, Annette, email address is: gamiller60@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 21 March, 2007 - Dear Annette, I had the popcorn concession stand in the menagerie tent just at the front to the main entrance with the Ringling Show in 1955. I was only 11 yrs old at the time. I never wore any kind of "uniform". If no one else comes up with a uniform for you; do the following. Get your Grandson a long sleeve white shirt, a bow tie (solid color), a white bib apron, and one of those "oversea" caps the military wore in Europe when on leave. You can get them in paper. Perhaps check at a party store. No one will know if that is a "correct" Popcorn uniform or not. He'll look good in any case. Good luck. Erny Karoly

    Reply: 22 March, 2007 - Might use a carpenters apron or the like one with the pockets in the front that the vendors used to make change that could be a bib style or one that just fit around the waist and instead of the white shirt could use a white butchers or pharmiest coat or jacket and the over seas cap would be very appropriate with a large red price tag on it. Ned

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1790. Henson Bros. Circus, 14 March, 2007 - Can anyone tell me about the Henson Bros. Circus out of Tennessee? My father always talked about his grandparents owning a circus and they were from Lowden, TN. (His Grandfathers name was Jim Henson). Sandy Rosier, sandyrosier@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 15 March, 2007 - The only Henson Bros I know of was the same as the Kelly-Morris Circus and was owned by families named Kelly and Morris, who were related by marriage. They used the Henson Bros title at least in 1956 and possibly other years. Ole Whitey

    Reply: 16 March, 2007 - Kelly Morris used the title Benson Bros, not Henson! Bobby Fairchild

    Reply: 18 March, 2007 - Bobby, you're right - that's why they call me OLE Whitey. Sorry.

    Reply: 03 April, 2007 - There was a Henson Bros. Circus in December 1956 at P. O. Box 244, Springfield, Tennessee. The Henson Bros. Indoor Circus played November and December 1956 dates in Tennessee, and in November 1957 did a few indoor dates in Kentucky. A letter in 1968 from W. E. (Shotgun) Poge? noted that he was still trying to put a little circus together but needed a 50 foot round top with a 30 foot middle. Ted Bowman Route Collection.

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1789. Circuses Falmouth Recreation Ground, 13 March, 2007 - As a young boy, I remember with great fondness the great circuses of Billy Smarts, Bertrum Mills and Chipperfields, whose huge big tops used to fill the Falmouth Recreation Ground, Falmouth, Cornwall, England during the 1950s. I also remember vividly the special circus trains and the grand parades from the railway station to the ground, one year I remember an elephant driving a specially built jeep, leading one of the parades. I cannot remember which circus had the jeep driving elephant. I would be grateful for any information on this and any info abouit the circuses that came to Falmouth. There is a picture in our local history archives of elephants coming off the train at Penmere halt, which is less than half a mile from the recreation ground.
      At this present time, the Falmouth Recreation Ground, built in 1887, is under threat from a housing development which the majority in the town do not want, and are trying to save it for future generations to make use of. I would be grateful for any historical information of the times these circuses came to town, i.e. dates, the stars of the shows, pictures of the actual bigtops etc., even a copy of a poster, because we need all the historical info of all types of events which were staged at the recreation ground to help in the campaign to try and save this historical ground. Are these circuses still going and do they tour the UK? I would be grateful for any email addresses of the forementioned, or any other circuses? Would'nt it be wonderful for the circus to return to Falmouth for the first time in 50 years. Yours sincerely, David Saunby. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 14 March, 2007 - My wife Jannette nee Green, originally of St. Mawes, who went to school in Falmouth, agrees with you! From my book "Twentieth Century Circus Shows, 1901-1950, I can add a few circuses visiting the town pre 1950; - Falmouth Capt. T. Pinder's Royal Circus, 5/5/1931; G.B. Chapman's No.1 Circus, 7/5/1934; Bertram Mills' tenting circus, 15/6/1936; Bertram Mills' Tenting Circus (Trescoleas Road), 29/6/1939. Good luck in your campaign. Why not promote your idea on the 'Tag Board' on the 'Latest' page of www.circusbiography.co.uk. Good luck, John Turner.

    Reply: 16 March, 2007 - The "jeep driving" elephant must have been with Bertram Mills Circus. Have a look at the archive pictures posted 15th February 2007 on www.buckleswblogspot.com/ "Charivari - the only Motoring Elephant in the World." It looks like an adapted Land Rover rather than a Jeep. (An act of its time, but with todays UK climate of "political correctness" it might not be seen as the right image to with which to promote your important campaign?!!) All the best, Paul Griffiths.

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1788. Mack Trucks, 13 March, 2007 - I am looking for the date of the "Bandwagon" that had the story of the MACK TRUCKS that the circuses used over the years. Thanks, Larry Crocker. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 14 March, 2007 - You can find the date of publication, etc., for most every article in "Bandwagon" since 1940[!] right on this website. Go to the left column of red and gold buttons, place your arrow on the Bandwagon button and then do a left click on your mouse. Select which section of the index you desire to search, place your arrow on it and left click it. Give the index time to load. Then, using your edit function on your tool bar, use the "Find (on this page)" option. Type in the search word you're seeking, such as "Mack." Then keep clicking "Find Next" as new findings appear. You can search up and down, by subject word, author's name, date, etc. It's very readily searched. If you don't find what you're seeking, try another section of the index. You will likely find three or four articles about Mack trucks have been printed. The authors are Pfening and Rhodes. Thanks particularly to Judy Griffin and others for making this wonderful search tool available at your fingertips! Don't just stop at Mack trucks, check some of the other interesting materials that have been digitized and made available on the CHS website. You'll not find most of it anywhere else on the web. Fred Dahlinger

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1787. Circus Saints and Sinners, 12 March, 2007 - Is the Circus Saints and Sinners still active in Washington, DC, I believe it was the Ed Wynn tent? I was a close friend of Peter J. Boruta a painter of clowns and one the greatest. Jack Zoller. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 02 Sep 2008 - I have a painting of Emmett Kelly, not sure if Sr. or Jr. It is signed & dated P. J. Boruta 1963. The signature is printed. Do you have any further information about this artist or where I can to research some more about this man. Tony Sorrenti, tsorrenti@comcast.net

    Reply: 18 Sep 2008 - I have a painting of Archibald Cox as a clown signed “Boruta”. My father acquired this painting sometime in the seventies around Watergate time. I have been trying to get information about it as my father passed away about 8 years ago and I have just been holding on to it . It really caught my eye when the Saints and Sinners were mentioned in this forum as I recall my father mentioning that and also functions in DC pertaining to the AFLCIO. We lived in DC until the late 70’s. If anyone has any information about the artist or this particular portrait it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Diane M. Blythe, dblythe@triad.rr.com, dblythe@sigcom.net

    Reply: 27 Sep 2008 - We have an oil painting of the Grover's Mill, signed "Boruta 1965." Since Grover's Mill is near Hamilton, NJ, where P.J. Boruta lived, he is probably the artist. Apparently this is one of his non-Clown works - does anyone have any more or know the occasion for this one? Dennis Hawver, dhawver@aol.com

    Reply: 13 Mar 2009 - Has anyone heard any new information on Peter Boruta’s paintings? I still have a clown portrait of Archibald Cox and am very interested in selling. He also did a clown portrait of my father but that is one I will always hold onto. Thank you, Diane

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1786. John "Howard" Bone, Kard-O, 11 March, 2007 - I am looking to locate which circus or carnivals that my father Howard Bone traveled with. He claimed to have done just about everything on the carny trail from canvasman to bally barker, from animal handler to performer. I personally know he traveled by Greyhound when possible to catch the next Red One. However Greyhound was a luxury for him usually he traveled, by foot hitchhiking or he traveled by delapidated vehicle, or on occasion would catch a ride on a passing rail train.
      By trade Howard Bone was a magician. Having been discharged from the Navy in 1944, he joined up with a circus or carnival shortly soon after. His entire life was spent traveling from one show to the next. (In a book he wrote published in 1993, he states he worked as a circus side show magician for 39 years, three months and four days.) He also mentions thank you's to Mike and Carolyn, stating Mike was there too once. Other mentioned names are Johnny Howard, Le-Ola Lew Alters, Dick Best, Larry Leonard, Ward Hall, "Sticks" Leroy, "Shackles" Harold, Preston & Jack Baker (Silkini who taught me more showmanship in seven minutes than anyone before or since then.) And not to forget Windy Van Hooten. I believe Howard himself he may have used a pseudo name "Kard-O" at one point in time though I am not positive of all the pseudo names that he used.
      He met my mother Betty Acton at one of these Carnivals or circus's in or around the late 1950's. They lived together as husband and wife with a Carny until they finally legally married in August of 1960 in Shawneetown, IL. Her carny life was short lived as she missed her parents and she returned home to Florida around the fall of 1965. Betty had been a Bally girl at the time. I think she had joined the circus when she was still a minor which but may have lied about her age. Betty & Howard went their separate ways after an incident in or near St Lois, MO about 1965. I was four years old and my brother was two at the time and we went to live with our Aunt Dollyann (Howard's sister), who continues to raise us. Betty returned to Florida to be with her parents (they were originally from Buffalo, NY which may be where Betty joined up with the circus at - though some of her family was also from Erie County, PA as well), evidently pregnant at the time as she had our younger sister, Susan, March 11, 1966. Howard continued to travel with the circus's and carnivals.
      My father, Howard Bone, may have been affiliated with Ring Bros. Circus in 1963 as when he died he left behind as one of his few pocessions a photo of Emmett Kelly "Wearie Willy" the clown. I know at one point Howard knew Emmett Kelly pretty well. I think he was also from around this area originally. (I live in Evansville, IN which is where Howard was originally from.) I even received a personal letter from Emmett Kelly myself after I lost a son back in 1981 which I still have.
      The poster names Franco Richards - President, Floyd King General Agent, Pete Christian -Concession Manager, Ben Davenport - Legal Advisor. In a banner hanging inside a ring in a tent. At the top of the photo is a banner that reads James H Drew Exposition PO Box 5559-Augusta GA 30906. The photo's printed signature is by Robert Wicks. I do not know if the names in the photo are accurate or just staged for the poster. Under the photo on the bottom of the poster my father has hand written on it "Amusement Business, Week of Feb 3-8 1997.
      Howard also published several books. One titled "Hurry...Hurry... Hurry..." Under the pen name Col. Don E. Kerr. (Hope you can understand his sense of humor... Get it? .. Doniker = Carny toilet!) Another of his books titled "Side Show: My Life With Geeks, Freeks and Vagabonds in the Carny Trade". Written by Howard Bone with Daniel Waldon and foreward by Teller. His books mention his travels to many locations some of which include IN, MI, OH, KY, TN, GA, MA, CA, NY, FL, TX as just a few of his stops.
      I also have located a letter he had in his pocession from Martin and Downs Circus dated 06/10/1996 from Al Stercell evidently in response to a letter Howard had wrote to him. He first thanks my father for the address of Carroll Green's widow. Then goes on to state an interest in his mention of Preacher Monroe, and a midget magician named Bluey-Bluey. The letter also states he mentioned being on the Beatty show. In the letter Al states he worked with Bill English when he had Sells and Gray Circus and latter when he started Herneford Circus. He states his late friend Dave Mullaney had been a side show ticker seller on BEatty several seasons. He also states he had been on a show with Gene Cody and Kipling Bros. That Bill and Dick Carden had out. It goes on to state the second season they had a Mexican - Carlos Leal who ate fire, walked on glass. He also states he believes his late friend Alex Linton was over there a few seasons. (Beatty show) and a guy named Freddy Jones that used to dislocate his arms and shoulders. The letter unfortantely was a denial letter advising him to seek private parties and night club acts which is one of the last attempts Howard had made to get to the next Red One and is signed by Al Stencell.
      Incidentally, I can recall as a child going to a number of his performances. He also put on personal performances for us when he was in town. I can recall him talking of Wild Bill from when I was a very small child. I recall seeing him perform in Evansville doing his magic for the Hadi Shrine Circus. He performed numerous card tricks, a trick with colorful scarves up his sleeves, the Human pin cushion, the Blade box as well as many other stunts. These I can remember very well. Somewhere in the back of my mind it seems he may have even served as ringmaster at one point. And though I can't recall watching him do an "Athletic Performance", his book states he did, as a boxer. Memories of his tall tales provoked interest but I was always a bit reluctant to know what to believe from him. Numerous times he told of his snake handling days when he was almost struck by a Cobra, and how he routinely had to help doctor and clean the cages of the rattlers. Back in the late 60's and early 70's when I was growing up most people had never even seen a snake more yet heard of them being kept in captivity so the idea that he handled them routinely was just unreal. I do know for fact that he was a ninth level black belt master of Itto Ryo Jutsu which he practiced regularly into his seventies. My brother and I took classes ourselves as children.
      It seems he was was most proud of his act titled "The Man Who Can't Be Hung". In fact he was accepted into the American Museum of Magic for this one particular act. I have in my personal possession several copies of video tapes of him performing the act which Teller, of Penn and Teller taped for him. Teller and Howard had grown to become close friends just before Howard's passing. Teller had also written a very lovely article about him that was published in the April 1995 issue of "Atlantic Monthly".
      Please if anyone knows my father from the circus life please contact me, Linnie731@insightbb.com. I am not trying to do a genealogical study on him as I know the whole family line. I am trying to locate which circus's or carnival's he was with and when and what acts and duties he performed. I have photo's of him, though I do not have any of him from his professional life as a magician. I have a box full of letters and correspondence which deals with his books and with his martial arts and his dealings with the VA hospital, however not much reference to his circus life is mentioned. In fact I have located one circus newsletter titled "Don Marks Presents: Circus Report" dated 06/05/1995 #22 that lists Howard Bone's retirement and states he has given his equipment for "The Man Who Can't Be Hung" to the American Museum of Magic in Marshall, MI. I would be particularly interested in anything in print that lists the cities he was in and dates. Sincerely, Linda Ann (Bone) Grossman. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1785. Thank you, 11 March, 2007 - A thank you to Fred Dahlinger for the response to my inquiry on #1379 on the message board. I have spoken to Maxine Myers. She is living in San Andreas, Calif. the last time I spoke with her. She loves talking about the circus and shared so many memories and times. I have learned alot. She is a special lady. I still haven't found Happy Davis but if I can help anyone with info on the Ring Bros. Circus I will try. Thank you, again Fred. From Mona Ingold, monaingold@hotmail.com. Zanesville, Ohio. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1784. William Bell, 11 March, 2007 - I am looking for any info on a William (Bill) Bell who owned a concession trailer with a carnival-circus 1945-1950. I know he was in the WV-Virginia area about that time. He was originally from Petersburg, V. His girl fried also worked with carnival as a cashier in the dining tent for employees. Not sure what the name of the carnival was. mary henderson, maryh@hpcisp.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1783. Great Sanger show poster, 10 March, 2007 - I happened upon your site in hopes of getting some research on a circus poster found on the brick wall of a building in my hometown. Around ten years ago, a lady bought a building in our town, and dismanteled the wall. She wanted to keep the brick walls that was a foundation from the neighbor building. When she uncovered the years and years of plaster, to come to the brick wall LOW AND BEHOLD, an assortment of old, old circus posters. The lady asked me to glue the pieces that had fallen over the years, back onto the poster. Then we decided to preserve the poster. We ordered archival type preserving spray to keep the colors from fading. I sprayed 3 cans of the formula onto the poster. Another gentlemen a few years later bought the building with the town beggin him to keep the poster. He attached glass over the poster to preserve it more. I found on the internet the research I wanted. The poster reads. The GREAT SANGER SHOW. My research happily lead me to a gentlemen who mailed me information on the poster. But to my dismay the papers have been lost. I was stupid in not making copies. I remember only small things about the information. The circus was in my town in either 1913 or 1923 and I believe it was September. The paper also said it was here for 1 day. Would anyone have any information on this beautiful piece of art. Now that the building has yet another owner, he would love the history, and so would I. Thank you so much. Barbara Fleming Columbia, NC. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 10 March, 2007 - Hopefully someone will have more information, but according to Parkinson's Directory of American Circuses 1793-2000, p. 357: Great Sanger Circus was in operation from 1921-1922. Sanger Circus (without the Great in this list) from 1911-1913 (Mugivan & Bowers owners), 1919-1920 (Floyd & Howard King owners). J. Griffin

    Reply: 11 March, 2007 - Gordon Carver wrote an illustrated history of the 1913 tour of the Sanger show. It's in "Bandwagon," the July-August 1981 issue. It is available for purchase as a back issue. Click on the "Bandwagon" button on the left column and then go to back issues. The poster is likely 1913. Fred Dahlinger

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1782. "Lord" George Sanger's Circus, 09 March, 2007 - My Great-Grandfather, Robert Archer, was the Stud Groom for Sanger's Circus for about 10 years at the end of the nineteenth century. He also drove Sanger's Coach that led the circus parade. I know that some of his family had performing roles in the Circus too. I know there are photographs around somewhere of the family. I am looking for any information of the Archer family and its involvement. I have his "passport" from when the circus visited the Continent of Europe. Is there any record of the Itinerary of the Circus at this time? I have read the book, "70 Years a Showman" and it tells how Sanger first met my great-grandfather, but there is little else in the book to help me. Any leads or suggestions anyone can give me where I can look for possible references to Robert Archer and his family ould be so much appreciated. Norman K Archer, normanarcher@gmail.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 01 Sep 2008 - Hi Norman, I too am looking into the Sangers circus. My grandfather was with the Sangers circus. I know they were in Royston Hertfordshire in 1911, hence my mother being born that year. She was the result of a fling my grandmother had the trapeze artist in the circus. I am trying to find out the trapeze artist's name. I know they were Italian. ellen foley, ellen.foley3@ntlworld.com

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1781. Mills Bros Circus, 09 March, 2007 - I would love to hear any Mills brothers Circus stories that include Johann Inge Karl or Mousie Schmitz. My husband [Karl] grew up performing with his family in the show. We would really appreciate seeing any photos of his parents who sometimes performed under the name of the Namadils as well as the Carchelis. Thanks Lynda Schmitz. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 11 March, 2007 - One of the Mills brothers is living in the Sarasota area. Perhaps you can find them in the directory or establish contact via the Showfolks of Sarasota club? Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 12 March, 2007 - Is your husband Karl Heinz Schmitz? If so I spent time on the show with him in 1962. His father was equestrian director and he did many things including working the comedy car act when needed. Jerry Jacobson, Jerome-Jacobson@sbcglobal.net

    Reply: 23 Oct 2009 - My dad was Jake Mills. He's gone now as are all the others. Uncle Harry died a little over a year and a half ago. I'd love to get in touch with you and with Mousie again. It's been years. Jeri Mills

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1780. Moser or Pettis, 09 March, 2007 - My name is TC Moser, I hale from SC. My family were circus people back when. I am trying to see if you have any info on Floyd Moser, Jane Moser, or even the Pettis family. Thank you for your time. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1779. Paris 1905, Buffalo Bill’s wild west, 08 March, 2007 - I am currently researching on the last venue of Buffalo Bill in Paris (1905) from April 2nd to June 4th. Buffalo Bill was already in Paris on March 31st. But my 1905 route sheet is incomplete. I would like to know when did the show actually arrive in France (landing in Dunkerque?), on which steamer? Was Buffalo Bill using his train to retire after shows, or was he staying in a hotel? Since Franck Richmond was dead and Harry Clarence didn’t cross the Channel, who was the orator for the French tour? Apparently Indians and Cowboys were not keen on frogs legs: how was the catering organised to provide them with American food? And last but not least, I don’t even dream of laying my hands on Charles Griffin’s book “4 years in Europe with Buffalo Bill”, but if anyone knows of a library or university or individual who could share parts of the contents of the book concerning my research, I’ll be grateful. Of course, I’ll be delighted to get in touch with people having had relatives working in France with the Wild West during the here above mentioned period of time. Thanking you very much in advance. Vivianne Perret. - Lyon, France, email: vivianne.perret@orange.fr. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 09 March, 2007 - Dear Mr. Perret: Buffalo Bill’s Wild West arrived in two ships. The SS MICHIGAN arrived at Dunkerque about March 24, 1905 with the equipment that had been stored at Barnum & Bailey’s estate in England, and about 200 horses and 300 men. The second ship SS NEW YORK landed at Cherbourg, on March 26, 1905, with 200 performers including the American Indians, cowboys and others performers coming from the United States. In 1907 the orator was Thomas Rankine, but do not know if he was with the show in 1905. I do have a copy of the “Four years in Europe,” and I can arrange to make a copy and forward to you. I have spent twelve years conducting research into the “Russian Cossacks” riders who rode with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West and other American Tent Shows. I have additional information on the 1905 season, which I can share with you. Please contact me at my email address rgeorgian@earthlink.net, and we can discuss additional information. Regards, Richard Georgian

    Reply: 10 March, 2007 - Boss hostler Jake Posey maintained a diary during his sojourn with Buffalo Bill's Wild West. That document exists in a private collection. Posey covers the 1903 to 1906 trip on pages 54 to 59 of his book "Last of the Forty Horse Drivers." A look at Dexter Fellows book might provide some "color" for your coverage. You might also find some coverage in the weekly issues of the "Billboard" and "New York Clipper." Contact with the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming might also prove useful, if you have not done so already. A check with the Denver Public Library's Western History Collection could also prove beneficial. Providing a description of the scope and intent of your work might suggest other possibilities for assistance. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 23 March, 2007 - On www.circusmuseum.nl/eng you will find a postcard with tents and tipi's of the Buffalo Bill show in 1906 in Paris. The location then is Champs de Mars. Type " mars" in the search area. You can also search for "Bill" and " Buffalo Bill" for posters and photographs. Herman Voogd, hvoogd@teylersmuseum.nl

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1778. Big One Erie PA, 08 March, 2007 - Does anyone remember The Big One in Erie, Pa? I saw the show twice. 1951 and 1952. I saw the show unload in 1952 and 1956. The talk at the rail yard in 1956 was that the big show might close as problems galore were with the show. So sad. What I am basically interested in is stories of the show going from the rail yards to the circus lot and setting up and your other memories. Granted, Erie, Pa. was just another town the show played and your memories could be in Anytown, USA. If anyone has pictures of Big Bertha in Erie to share that would be fantastic. Any help would be most helpful. I have all the books and magazines of The Big One, yet personal stories are the icing on the cake. Best, Craig Johnson, Lock Haven, Pa. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1777. Circus accident, 08 March, 2007 - A few years ago I purchased at auction some old circus items. Along with these items is an old film. I believe that it may be of an accident at a circus. After all these years, I just now looked at the first few winds. It appears to be masses of people around a body with a net near by. After several more frames it shows a lady with the body. The lady and the people are dressed in early 1900's clothes. I am trying to search the event. Do you have any information about early circus tragedy's? please reply when you can. Sincerely, Roger and Dawn Lende. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 10 March, 2007 - The basis for identifying the principals in your film is examining the film itself. You might consider having it transferred to DVD and then asking an expert in aerial acts, like Steve Gossard in Bloomington, IL, examine it for you. Post your e-mail address and he can contact you directly. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 25 July 2007 - Thanks for info Fred. Roger and Dawn

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1776. Elephants New York, 08 March, 2007 - How do I find out the route the elephants will take from the midtown tunnel to the Nassau Colliseum in New York? 3blueyedboys@optonline.net. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 26 March, 2007 - Go to Buckles Woodcock's blogsite, bucklesw.blogspot.com. I believe the information you are looking for was just posted last night. Bob Cline

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1775. Circus strongman, 08 March, 2007 - I am looking for any information anyone may have about a circus strongman by the name of Clifford who resided in Wales around 1890 but later emigrated to Australia. He is a missing link in my family history research. Tayl824@aol.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1774. Circus trains 1930s, 07 March, 2007 - Does anyone have any information regarding how circus trains were scheduled by the railroads in the 1930's? Did one engine and train crew move with the circus as long as they were on that road's trackage or was a new crew and locomotive assigned every time the circus moved from town to town? I know that they moved them as unscheduled freight and required that they pay up front, but beyond that can't seem to find any more details. Don Shuey, shueyassoc@aol.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 10 March, 2007 - If there is an answer to this question, it will be found in the minutiae of railroad business records, not circus historiography. Whether the same locomotive or crew moved the show train each day was of little consequence to the showmen, so long as it was done on time, safely, from the starting point to the correct terminus [yes, a crew once took a train to the wrong place] and without excessive jarring from slack take up, etc. You'll need to find the paper documentation for locomotive and crew assignments. Whether such paperwork was retained for any railroad, and if by chance it covered the series of days when a circus was traveling on that railroad, is a query for railroad historians or archivists. You might try contacting some of the larger railroad archives and posing the question to them. Circus route books, in some cases, do record various show movements, the railroad utilized, etc., but there's seldom, if ever, a mention of the locomotive by wheel arrangement or number, or any crewmen, unless they were particularly good or bad. Occasionally, local newspapers, especially in a "railroad town" would mention such and such an engineer as bringing the show train into town, but then you'd have to be lucky to find several such reports in series in different communities. If you can locate any sort of diary or log book of an engineer or conductor, wherein they recorded their daily work assignments, that would be another means to gain an answer for your query. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 18 April, 2007 - Circus trains were not scheduled – in railroad slang they were "extras," meaning they were not listed in the road's employee timetable (much different from a public schedule). In period photos you'll see small white flags displayed on an engine (small white lights after dark) to identify any extra train.
          The circus and the railroad would first set a contract specifying the number of cars — advance cars which usually moved on passenger trains were included in this total — and date/s, approximate time/s and points of interchange where the advance car/s and later the show would be received from and/or transferred to another railroad. If the advance or show stayed on the same line for a few days, all of those moves would be listed.
          On the appointed date/s, the railroad would "call" as many extras as needed (Ringling moving in four sections would actually be four separate extra trains); any engineer, fireman, brakeman (2 were needed; one riding the engine, the other the caboose) or conductor could bid on these jobs, which went to the most senior employee available.
          The railroad also had to make sure in advance that locomotives (typically heavy freight power like a 2-8-2 "Mikado" in the 30s) and cabooses were available for these extra trains.
          A crew would usually work 100 miles, the typical distance between two division point cities at this time, or a maximum of 16 straight hours, whichever came first. As an example, if a show went from Chicago to Milwaukee (about 90 miles), one crew/engine/caboose would move it. If the show jumped 160 miles from Chicago to Madison however, the original crew, engine and caboose ended their run at Milwaukee; a new engine, caboose and crew took over and the circus train became a new extra to complete this portion of the move.
          "If you can locate any sort of diary or log book of an engineer or conductor, wherein they recorded their daily work assignments, that would be another means to gain an answer for your query."
          This was usually called a "time book" or "trip book" – each employee kept a record of times called, how long on duty, time off duty, length of run, additional work etc. as a record of how much he should be paid. These are rather rare. In railroad parlance, extras were usually identified as "Xtra" or just "X" with the engine number and direction – so Extra 1003 West might show up as X1003W. Direction is subjective here; most railroads considered their route as East-West, regardless of actual compass directions..
          "You'll need to find the paper documentation for locomotive and crew assignments. Whether such paperwork was retained for any railroad. . ."
          Extras were created by a train order from the dispatcher on each division and only identify the assigned engine by its number at a given location, and authorize it’s crew to run as an extra between two points, but would not identify the train itself. Lance Burton

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1773. Circus Town or Circustown, 07 March, 2007 - I am looking for information for a circus that was in Butler, PA. It was permanent, and I think it was actually called Circus Town or Circustown. I also think it was the Kefflalas Brothers, although I don't know. Is there anyway to get information on this? Thanks. anna marcxnek, marcinek29@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 20 Jun 2008 - I am replying to your inquiry only because I grew up near there. Only about a mile or so. It is rather run down now and in a delappited state. I do not know much about it. I do know the owner and the owner's son. Joseph Penrod, Butler, PA

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1772. Russian Cossack riders, 07 March, 2007 - We are interested to bring the Russian Cossack riders to Australia for an Equestrian & country music event. Can you provide a contact for them please? Regards, John McNeill. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 08 March, 2007 - Dear John, As you may well be aware, bringing horses from one country into another, often times involves a lengthy health certificate requirement and quarantine period. That type of Russian riding act also requires a special style of ring with an interior incline made of heavy rubber matting. Please contact me at circus4youth@earthlink.net. I know of some possible contacts. Jim Cole

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1771. Margaret Altop or Bill Bell, 06 March, 2007 - Searching for info about a circus-carnival that traveled through Virginia & W. Virginia in mid to late 1949s. Actually looking for info on a Margaret Altop or Bill Bell. Think he owned a concession stand and traveled with them. mary henderson, maryh@hpcisp.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1770. Zeke Bozo Lamont, 05 March, 2007 - Wow, do I know Zeke Bozo Lamont. My brother and I met him in 1958 and he got us started in the clown business. Since then I have played clown/magician over the world. I owe him a bunch. I have tried to find others with knowledge of his history but have dead ends. I knew him up to his death and have his obituary and many stories about his life in my home town. He landed in my town when his eyes no longer enabled him to drive. I will corespond with anyone about Bozo and would love to see any pictures of him. I have lots to share about him. Paul Ricksecker, Findlay, Ohio (Hoby Tyler, name Bozo gave me) hobyt@juno.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1769. Willie Camper, 05 March, 2007 - I am looking for the dates that Willie Camper performed. Any ideas?. Lynne Bell, b3725@aol.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 01 April, 2007 - I have some info about Willie but cannot guarantee its accuracy. He was at the "California World's Fair"; he once toured Australia in sideshows; he made the news in 1941, treated for a sore leg at St. Joseph's hospital in Lancaster, PA. He died while working a sideshow in Martinez, CA in April of 1943. I hope this gives you some leads. Tom (zenheard@yahoo.com)

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1768. Number of circuses, 05 March, 2007 - Would someone answer these 2 questions? 1. How many circuses are performing in the U.S. today? 2. How many circuses were performing in the U.S. in 1907? Thank you so much. Sheila Segerson, wldroze@bellsouth.net. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 06 March, 2007 - Circus historian Col. C. G. Sturtevant enumerated about 65 traveling circuses in 1907, based upon his research in the weekly trade journals "New York Clipper" and "Billboard," as well as other resources. That number excludes the traveling Wild West troupes and foreign outfits that he also enumerated. It's likely that he was also unaware of some smaller overland troupes that did not routinely communicate news of their existence to the trade publications. As with all lists, they are a combination of "snapshots" of history and can be edited up and down based on implemented criteria, definitions of what is and is not a circus, etc. Some of the troupes did not enjoy a full season, others were sold from one proprietor to another, etc. Fred Dahlinger

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1767. Ringling Bros band, 05 March, 2007 - My great grandfather played the trumpet in the band for Ringling Bros from early 1900's to maybe 1920's. My mother has seen pictures of the band and I would like to see if you have any information or contacts regarding bandmates or history of band members or photos. Mary Little. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 06 March, 2007 - A gentleman named Sverre O. Braathen compiled rosters of circus bands. Copies of his compilations are filed with his collection at Illinois State University in Bloomington, IL, and also at the Ringling Museum in Sarasota, FL and Circus World Museum in Baraboo, WI. They would also be the repositories where photographs of the Ringling bands would be found. The rosters are by show and also by the individual's name. There's a collection at Baraboo, established by past staff member Paul Luckey, which includes his contacts with circus bandsmen of the past, especially those from Wisconsin. It might be worth a check to see if he'd been in contact with your grandfather. Charlie Conrad in Carmel, IN has been doing a lot of good work on circus bands and bandsmen and he might be a good person to contact for other assistance. Few bandsmen spent their entire career on the road. It was very tough work for a musician and only the most ardent advocates of the road stuck with it. Many returned home to teaching and other musical jobs, or alternative employment. Fred Dahlinger

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1766. McFarland, advance, contracting agent, 04 March, 2007 - Hello my name is Patricia Benjamin, my mother just passed away and while going through her house I found a book, from Lambertson House in Rochester Michigan. On the cover was written Franklin Byron McFarland and Michael Neill New York. This book was signed by people who stayed at this place in 1880 and 1881. Some of the people who signed were from Boyd & Peters Great Circus and Menagerie. And Robbins and Colvin Great Allied Circus and Menagerie. I couldn't read all the all the writing, but here are some of the names, Burr Robbins, Mrs Burr Robbins, E.D Colvin, Madame Martha, Miss Ellen Cooke, Miss Georgie, Mrs Mathews, Charles W. Fish, Den Stone and a few others. My Question is Frank McFarland was a Advance and contracting agent, for Harry Thayer & Co's, could you tell me what that is as far as the circus is concerned? And did you ever hear of the Lamberton house in Rochester Michigan and what was this Place? And was it common for Circus people to stay here? I know James McFarland took care of Charles W. Fish until his death. Was James McFarland related to Frank McFarland? and maybe that's how Frank ended up with the book, some how someone gave it to the family. Are these circuses local, from Michigan? Any information you have will be appreciated. I'm not sure why my mother had this book, I thought it was family history, but my Great-Grandfather was McMarrow. Thank You, Patricia Benjamin. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 12 March, 2007 - Some hotels catered to traveling showmen, giving them honest value in terms of good lodging and food for the money paid. Too often, showmen were ill-treated and essentially short-changed in their contracted overnight and feeding arrangements. It appears that the Lambertson House may have earned a reputation as a good place to stay, and such a recommendation would have been passed around the industry. Route books often comment on whether hotels were good or "rotten." You'd have to find one that included Rochester on the route to see if the respect for the inn keeper and his service was universal. The provenance of the hotel register might be the way to trace how it came into your family's hands. Starting with the last date entry, determine the owner of the hotel and then trace that family, or the subsequent hotel owners. Sometimes such registers were simply kept as a matter of curiosity, or picked up by accident at a flea market.
          Boyd & Peters Great Transatlantic Allied Shows was an overland show organized in Royal Oak, Michigan in 1878. The principals were Orlando Boyd and S. C. Peters (cameo biographies are available on the CHS website in Slout's "Olympians.") They apparently returned to Royal Oak for the winters of 1878-1879 and 1879-1880, building a modest winter quarters there. The show was having financial difficulties in June 1880. An alleged case of assault the next month brought the operation to a close, despite everyone being acquitted. Several cages of animals were acquired by Miles Orton. Stuart Thayer perused existing Detroit, Michigan newspapers for the circus and found nothing other than a pre-season write-up one year. Perhaps subsequent searching by John Polacsek has revealed something? There are a few scattered references in the 1878, 1879 and 1880 issues of the "New York Clipper." Thayer covers the show peripherally in his booklet "Mudshows & Railers," which is an account of the circus season of 1879.
          It's likely that as the show set forth in one of these seasons (1880 seems to be correct, since there's no evidence of an existence in 1881), they may have stayed overnight at Rochester. Not all overland shows bunked in wagons on the show grounds, many still booked hotel space even after "camp outfits" came into general use. An overnight stay by Boyd & Peters may well mark an early, or a very late in the season date as the departed or returned to nearby Royal Oak. You didn't mention the date, but if the signatures are before April, it could be that some people who had been hired on to join Boyd & Peters may have arrived in town slightly before the opening day. In that event, the Lambertson House may have been the favored nearby hotel.
          Burr Robbins had an overland circus out of Paw Paw, Michigan in the early 1870s and then relocated his quarters to Janesville, WI in late 1873. He prospered and went from overland to rail operation. For one season, 1881, the year that he went on rails, Robbins was in partnership with Erasmus D. Colvin. Despite it being a railroad show, with perhaps one sleeping car for the owners, department heads and performers, and another for the working men, some shows booked overnight accommodations in local hotels. Robbins may have known of the Lambertson from his overland show days and subsequent travels in Michigan. You can read about Robbins and Colvin in Slout's "Olympians" and also in the chapter on Burr Robbins in "Badger State Showmen."
          Frank McFarland's job as advance and contracting agent would have been to travel by horseback or horse and carriage several weeks in advance of the circus. He rode the route of the circus, negotiating and signing local contracts for: the show lot; hotel space and meals; stable space and animal feed; the local license to perform; advertisements in the local newspaper; and perhaps the printing and distribution of handbills, etc. Essentially, he prepared the way for the arrival of the circus by making arrangements for all of the goods and services that would be required on circus day.
          I have a few questions about the document and would appreciate it if you would contact me at afdj@g2a.net. Thanks. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 25 Feb 2009 - I just reviewed the information on McFarland, I wrote this in 2006 and did write back about the answer. I just want to tell you the information I received was very interesting to me since I still own the book, with the Lambertson House. I still don't know how my mother ended up with the log book, my mother and father and their family was from the Rochester area. A signed log book had Burr Robbins and wife, E. D. Colvin, Madame Martha, Miss Ellen Cooke, Miss Georgie, Mrs Mathews, Charles W. Fish Den Stone, and a few others. Two different circus groups had stayed at the Lambertson House in Rochester Michigan at that time. One group was Boyd & Peters Great Circus and Menagerie and Robbins and Colvin Great Allied Circus and Menagerie, the log book was signed in 1880-1881 time line. Does anyone have any information on any of these performers, or the Lambertson House. I do know this house burnt down in the ealy 1900's. I went to Rochester city group to find out about the Lambertson House which they knew only a little. Thanks, Patricia Benjamin

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1765. Foley and Burke Carnival, 04 March, 2007 - I am researching the history of the Foley and Burke Carnival or Shows. My stepfather worked for FBC during the mid 1920's. I recall, as a child, traveling with the carnival during its California runs, and hanging out in their warehouse-like winter quarters in East Oakland, CA. I have found that good specific information has been hard to come by. I would appreciate any leads that would be helpful in my quest for the Carnival history, especially during the 1920's. I would appreciate a brief e-mail if you can recommend reasonably good sources. Charles Stewart, cstewnee@olypen.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 05 March, 2007 - Bob Goldsack ran a lengthy article on the history of Foley & Burk in the Jan-Feb-Mar 1997 issue of his journal "Midway Journal Illustrated." His contact information is on this website, under publications. He also published an article about their collapsible bandwagon, which still exists in the LA area, in the July-Aug-Sept issue. You will find information in the weekly issues of the "New York Clipper" (through 1923) and "Billboard," which you may be able to obtain via interlibrary loan. Joe McKennon's "Pictorial History of the American Carnival" has some basic information in it. You can also locate information in older newspapers through searching services. The F&B British-built carousel is now at the Billy Jones Wildcat RR in CA. A flat car and several wagons are at Circus World Museum. Fred Dahlinger, Jr.

    Reply: 12 March, 2007 - You might want to go to the Circus World Museum in Baraboo. They have a classic gem of a fun house that you would likely recall from your boyhood; I recall it from mine in the 50s - the Thimble Theatre. This was, as far as I have learned, a standard Fun on the Farm funhouse which they fancied up with carton art out of the comic strip. Although I don't know that you can see it for sure unless you contact the museum in advance. F&B later winterquarted in Santa Rosa, north of Oakland, where I was raised, in the flower show building at the fairgrounds (originally built to house farm machinery exhibits). F&B also carried the Whip, an architecturally elaborate ride for its day. F&B was not a generic truck show, but an extremely colorful railroad show, whose wagons bore many different colors and lettering and whose precarious unloadings down at the ice house were events to see. Almost no stories about them to my knowledge. You might contact the Santa Rosa Press Democrat librarian; perhaps she can suggest some sources. There is also the Sonoma County Museum in Santa Rosa and the History room for either Santa Rosa or Sonoma County at the Santa Rosa library. Good luck! David Lewis Hammarstrom.

    Reply: 22 June 2007 - I have ten snapshots printed from original negatives of the Foley & Burk shows and they are dated 1914. That was probably before your father's time. There is no other infomation listed on the photos. Ed Gaida

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1764. Carved man - photo, 04 March, 2007 - I am looking for a picture of a carved man from Siam or China that was above a door or tent entrance I have. I believe he was holding two tiger cages suspended from his shoulders probably around 1900. The carved man is 6' tall and has a flat surface on the back to attach to something. If anyone has a photo or remember this let me know. Thanks, Lynnda Bauder. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1763. Sardini’s Traveling Circus, 03 March, 2007 - Dear Friends: I am doing research on a British secret agent in WW2 named Denis Rake. In his biography Denis mentions that from age 3 to 14 he spent with a European Circus. In his bio he says the name of the circus, which originated in Belgium I believe, traveled all over Europe in the years 1904-1914, was Sarazini’s. I tried to do research on this name and came up one called Sarrasani, but that was not the correct one. Then I read in an interview with my subject that the circus was named Sardini’s Traveling Circus. I’ve heard of a DeSardini’s from Holland with 2 people in the troupe, but I do not believe this is the correct circus, unless it is a modern version of an old circus. If anyone has any information of the Sardini’s Circus, I would be most happy to hear from you. Thanks very much. Best regards, Vince Gratzer. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1762. Jack Daniel, 03 March, 2007 - I have a poster of Jack Daniel (jack daniels whiskey) that says: JACK DANIEL ENTERTAINMENT TRAVELING SHOW. Art work looks like that of early PT Barnum ads. Did not have a date. Unable to find ANY info on this poster. Did Jack Daniel indeed have a traveling show in the late 1800's or early 1900's? Any help appreciated. Thank you. stickman. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1761. John or Jack Higgins, jumping champion, 03 March, 2007 - My great uncle was a 'standing jumper' named John (also known as Jack) Higgins, born in Blackburn, Lancashire, England. He was noted as 'Stand Jumping Champion of the World' in the 1890's when he took on all comers nationally. He performed various jumping feats, appearing with Ohmy's Circus in Blackburn/Blackpool around the same time, such as jumping over a row of chairs, snuffing out a candle set on each one as he went. I have some information on him from Blackburn Local History sources, and one contemporary article about him from the Strand magazine which notes that he toured America between 1894 and ?? before returning to England, not having been as successful as he had hoped. I am looking for any references, playbills, ephemera, or anything, especially from the USA to fill in details of his life from 1894 onwards. I believe he died back in England around the late 1940's, but am not sure of this. Any help would be appreciated. Frances Mullin (Higgins), mullinchas@aol.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 04 March, 2007 - The entry for Jumping Jack Higgins in my book 'Victorian Arena, the Performers', vol.2 (Lingdales Press, Formby, 19950 reads as follows; - HIGGINS, Jack. Vaulter. Champion Jumper of the World. Born in the King Street area of Blackburn. One-time cotton mill worker, in Blackburn, living in Leyland Street. Came to fame in the 1890s, with giant leaps, over a horse and cab. At age 18 years, at Ohmy's circus, Blackburn, jumped over 20 horses and went on to leap in and out of seven dolly tubs, three yards apart, without touching the ground. Other feats included leaping over eleven ordinary chairs, rising five feet and travelling 14 feet, leaping over six chairs and extinguishing two candles on the last chair and clear the canal in one bound. On 22nd July 1893, at Failsworth, he beat Joe Darby in a jumping contest, for a wager of £100. Even at age 55, in 1927, he could still leap over a horse and cab, at the New Princes Theatre in Blackburn. Noted with Stephenson's World Travel Circus, Jersey and Guernsey, in 1931, "truly remarkable at his age". Eventually went to America, where he travelled over 25,000 miles, defeating every athlete he met. Like many vaulters of his time, Jack Higgins aided his leaps and bounds by the use of hand weights which he swung at arms length to add impetus before discarding them. Died in Detroit, in the 1940s (Sources - Accrington Observer and Times, 21/3/1975; Lancashire Evening Telegraph, 14/4/1997, p.14, via June Huntingdon; Dewsbury Reporter, 14/4/1894). I hope this helps your researches. Your additional information has certainly helped mine, for which many thanks. If you are interested in artistes with British origins, why not look at my website www.circusbiography.co.uk rather than an American one, for details of their British careers? Best wishes, John Turner.

    Reply: 12 March, 2007 - John Higgins act in Argentina and Chile in the beginnings of the XX Century. In Chile appear with the Frank Brown Circus in 1902, performing different jumps acts, specially one in which he jumped a car. You can see an image in http://siglo20.tercera.cl/1900-09/1902/miscelan.htm. Also I have found his name in a brief revision of Argentine circus history, that does not contain more data. Surely the local periodics of the time speak of their step in my country. Cesar Ortega fliaortega@netverk.com.ar

    Reply: 30 Jan 2010 - From Marco Martini (Roma, Italy). John Higgins performed in Italy at the beginning of year 1901 with Rancy Circus, in Genova, Milano and Roma. I am very interested in this jumper, as an artist and as a sport champion, and I wrote an article about him in "Circo", an italian magazine. I have also recorded everything italian newspapers of 1901 wrote about his performances, and would like to get more informations about him. Anyone who can help me is welcome, especially his nephew Frances Mullin. Best wishes, Marco, marco.martini@fidal.it

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1760. Dreadnoughts, 02 March, 2007 - In our posession is a beautiful poster of 'The 'Dreadnoughts'. We are looking for some information about the persons and their act. [graphic of poster was attached to message, CHS discussion board does not permit graphics, contact message sender] Please can you give us some information about: The act; The acrobats, who are they; The period of the act; The poster, how old is it; Did The Dreadnougts visit Europe?; Do you know this poster.
      I am aware that these are a lot of questions but for quite a while we are desperately looking for information. We do hope you can help us. Looking forward to your reaction, Kind regards. E.Verheus, ass. L.van Gasteren, Spectrum Film, Amsterdam, Elisabeth, euro-site@planet.nl. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 29 March, 2007 - Try www.circusmuseum.nl search for 'acrobatiek' or mail me the picture. Herman Voogd, hvoogd@teylersmuseum.nl

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1759. Ringling Bros. Circus Posters, 02 March, 2007 - My grandfather, Leo Rechenmacher worked 41 years (1904-1941) as an engraver for the Central Printing and Engraving Company in Chicago, Illinois. While employed with the company, he was said to have drawn and engraved quite a few posters for the Ringling Bros. circus. Are any of these posters identified in any way by the artist and/or engraver ("LR" perhaps) or engraving company and where is the best place to find some of these original posters? Thanks, Chuck Spinner, spinlake@adelphia.net. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1758. Master Nicholas, 02 March, 2007 - I need a photograph of Young Nicholas, Master Nicholas, or Nicholas Cabellos who worked for the Barnum show in the 1880's and 1890's. Any information as to his life and death would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike G. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 03 March, 2007 - Don't know if this is who you mean but there was an 11 year old boy known as Young Nicolo who worked in the American Museum in 1865. He worked with three trapezes, flying between them and ending in a plunge to a bed on the stage. According to records he was lost at sea the year after appearing for Barnum. Robert Momyer

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1757. Justino Loyal, 28 February, 2007 - A young girl of 9 years is looking for information about Justino Loyal. We cannot find much about him on internet. Anyone out there familiar with him or his history? Thanks, Raymond. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 03 March, 2007 - My "Twentieth Century Circus People, 1901-1950" (Lingdales Press, Formby, 2003) contains the following entry; - LOYAL-REPENSKY Troupe. Bareback riders. Fourteen members of the same family, father, mother, children, nieces and nephews, including the Loyal Sisters and the seven Repenskys. Justin Loyal performed a somersault between two horses. Noted at the Crystal Palace Circus, Sydenham, 1931-32 season, and with Bertram Mills' Olympia circus, 1934-35 season. In 1935 were in Germany, later going to America to join Ringling's, Barnum and Bailey's circus. Still in the USA in 1940. Zephta Loyal, known for her somersaults from the back of one galloping horse to another, died on 29th April 1996, at Longview, Texas (Sources - World's Fair, 2/1/1932, p.1, col.4; ibid, 26/8/1933, p.32, col.2; ibid, 23/2/1935, p.46, col.1; ibid, 19/10/1940, p.14, col.3; A.S. Williamson, 'On the Road With Bertram Mills'(London, 1938), p.237; Willan G. Bosworth, 'Wagon Wheels' (1935), p.183). Could this be your man? John Turner

    Reply: 08 March, 2007 - Dear Raymond, Justino's son, Timi is a bareback rider at Arabian Nights in Kissimmee, FL. Contact me at circus4youth@earthlink.net and I will put you in touch with him. Jim Cole

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1756. Benny Fox, 27 February, 2007 - I am pretty sure that Benny Fox is my great uncle. He was the brother of my grandmother. I think that his real last name was Kupolov. I do not have a great deal of information about him, but would like some. I remember being a young child and seeing Benny on the Ed Sullivan show sometime around 1970, but not much else. Most of my relatives have passed, and receiving information is difficult. Thanks. Edwin Linker, edwinlinker@sbcglobal.net. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 12 March, 2007 - Edwin, Please see entry #212, which I found looking on this datbase under the search category. There are a few leads and entries, one of which is mine. I had the honor of meeting your Grandfather when he was performing in the early 60's at Santa Cruz Beach doing the 'Adagio of death'. See this section for lots of leads. Good thing to note that when you want infdo on someone circus it might just be right here under you nose! Good luck in your search! R.T. Carr, Stanford Ca, rtcarriii@yahoo.com

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1755. Clark-Walters Show, 27 February, 2007 - I received some information from a lady who had been researching a family name and I am writing because it was information that I was interested in.
      My husband's Aunt was married to a gentleman who was a member of the Clark-Walters Show, they had a small band that traveled with and played for circus's. I have a picture of them that was given to me many years ago or could have been among my father in law's possessions I do not remember exactly however this picture is of the 6 band members and on the drum it says Clark-Walters Show. The date written on the picture was June, 1914. Is there any way that you might have names of people who were involved with the circus or these shows? The information paper this one lady sent to me states that - I quote - "The Cole and Walters is a swell circus - operated by swell folks and should be welcome to return to any town it plays. The six piece hill billy band, a trick rope spinner, comedy mule and a pulling match between an elephant and a tractor make up the concert." Looking forward to hearing from you. Elsie Simpson, elsiesimpson@comcast.net. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 28 February, 2007 - The Clark & Walters title was used twice and Cole & Walters once and possibly there is some confusion between them. Herb Walters (born Herbert Walters Channell) and a man named Clark had a show called Clark & Walters during the 1910's, but I have the impression it was a dramatic show, possibly with vaudeville numbers between the acts.
          Then fast forward many years: Mr Walters framed a small circus in about 1950 and called it Cole and Walters (his daughter was married to a man named Cole at the time). This show eventually used the title "Famous Cole." Herb sold this circus to Bob Couls in about 1961. Then in his retirement he got lonesome for the road so he framed another small circus and called it Clark & Walters. This show he later sold to the Silverlake family and it was still out in the 1970s.
          In 1962 Mr Walters worked with a lady named Velma Lowry in writing his autobiography, which came out under the title "Fifty Years Under Canvas." You might locate a copy through ABEbooks.com. It does mention some of the people the original Clark & Walters show. Ree-gards, Ole Whitey

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1754. Lucky Bill or Honest Bill Circus, 25 February, 2007 - Hello, my name is Amy, and I am looking for any information on the Lucky Bill or Honest Bill Circus about 1910. I am related way down the line and I would like to do something nice for my grandmother whose mother and grandmother were part of the circus. My great great grandmother was Grace Wilbur who supposedly was a juggler but I am having a tough time finding info. I only have the few pictures my grandmother has. Any info or links etc. would be soo appreciated. Thanks amylee1374@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 27 February, 2007 - Amy: February 28, 1924, in the Capital Times, Madison, Wisconsin, newspaper there is an article concerning the new Gill Bros. Garage with an indoor circus. This circus is identified as the Barlow Indoor circus Co., St. Louis. Quote: The circus brings eight acts, including Delano Brothers, Acrobats; Virginia Smith, Siner and dancer; Vera Patiche, Ballet dancer; Delno Sisters, Acrobats and Contortionists; Kovno, a slack wire artist; Grace Wilbur, English juggler and baton swinger; Three Delaney Borthers, comedy acrobats, and one other act. Unquote. I also found in the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, an article with the “February’s Graduates” from Public School No. 11, located on Washington Ave, near Greene. One of the graduates was a Grace Wilbur. If you know that your relative came from New York city area or Brooklyn, this might be the same person. Good hunting, Richard Georgian

    Reply: 28 February, 2007 - The Nov-Dec 1992 and May-June 2005 issues of "Bandwagon" have some coverage on the Newtons. Both issues are available for purchase. Check this website for ordering information. A couple Newton letterheads were published in the 1960s and an Orange Bros. and Moon poster was printed on the cover of another issue. That was another Newton show title. Fred Dahlinger. [Newton Bros. Circus, William "Honest Bill," Newton. Newton was proprietor of Lucky Bill & Honest Bill shows. J. Griffin]

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1753. Orang-Outang, 25 February, 2007 - Would anyone know just when and where the very first Orang-Outang (Pongo pygmaeus) was brought to America? How many had been imported since 1840? Did any escape and cause havoc? I read the classic short story by Edgar Allan Poe, The Murders in the Rue Morgue (originally published in 1841), was this based on any incident either in America or Europe? I did read somewhere that the Chimpanzee is the meanest of the Great Apes, but Orangs always appear nice to me. I also read that 200 years ago perhaps Gorillas were also called Orang-Outangs in America. So maybe the ape in Poe's short story was really supposed to be a Gorilla or a Chimpanzee? Rufus Ledbetter, apemonsterman@yahoo.com. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1752. Ben V. Dermody, 25 February, 2007 - I am looking for any info on Ben V. Dermody, born 1882 Wales, UK. His wife's name was Elsa B. or Elsie. She also worked in the circus, I think as a band member. Many thanks for your time. Al Walker. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

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1751. Freeman, Biddall family, 24 February, 2007 - I am looking for the family Freeman/Biddall that are suppose to be a circus family in the 19 century. If anyone has any information that can help or push me in the right direction. Please contact me on heather58@fsmail.net. Thanking you, Heather. Respond to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 27 February, 2007 - The book "Fairground Strollers and Show Folk", by Frances Brown (Ronda, Taunton, 2001) might be a good place to start! Available at £19.95, ISBN No. 0-9521282-1-7, should not be didfficult to obtain. Full of family history and family trees as well as personal anecdotes. My own books "Victorian Arena; the Performers", vols 1 & 2 (Lingdales Presss, Formby, 1995 & 2000) contain many references to both families. Why don't you ask the British community by posting your query on the 'Forum' section of www.circusbiography.co.uk? Good luck, John M. Turner.

    Reply: 19 Apr 2008 - Hi, Am Ellen Freeman-Biddall gt gt granddaughter, are you still interested in the family? Helen

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