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Message Archive: Messages 2801 - 2850
2850. Alex Todd, Jennie Ward, 12 Mar 2009 - Does anybody have any info on Alec W. Todd and Jennie Ward? Lisa. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2849. Sawdust & Headaches book, 12 Mar 2009 - Can you please let me know where I can buy the book by Robert Perry - Sawdust & Headaches? My grandmother was Emily Perry, born 1877, whose family were one of the original owners of Perry Circus. She performed in the circus when she was a child until she was about 18. My name is Liz Maclean, email: neiliz@optusnet.com.au. Thank you, Liz Maclean. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2848. Gil Gray, 11 Mar 2009 - I'm looking for information on Gil Gray. A calliope that he reportedly owned was carried inside a Royal American Shows wagon # 80 (Calliope) in 1973 and 1974. Before I go any further with this, I would like to find out when he was born and when he died. This will determine if I will be taking my search any further. If he was alive in 1973 and 1974, why was his calliope carried on the Royal American Shows and where on the RAS midway was it set up? There was a report that there was a small 4-horse carousel with a canopy in the zone between Kiddieland and the main midway with the calliope near this carousel. It is not known if there was any direct connection between the carousel and this calliope. If this calliope was not owned by Gil Gray, the questions remain about the calliope in an RAS wagon and its location on the midway. Former RAS personnel could not recall the wagon or calliope, and there are no existing records for 1973 and 1974. Wagon # 80 is now stored at Circus World Museum. Thank you. Fred Heatley. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2847. Eloise Berchtold, 08 Mar 2009 - Hi, in my father estate, I found 10 black and white photos of Eloise Berchtold. This was along with an article from the Milwaukee Journal. The date is not on the paper, but I found out she did a show for Old Milwaukee Days either in 1964 or 1966? She signed one photo for my father as my father was the curator of the Aviary at the Milwaukee County Zoo at that time and he toured her through the bird house. These photos look like they were just produced as they were packed away in a styrofoam box. I cannot seem to find a lot of material on her on the web. She signed one pic in ink pen and in a dark area so its readable, but mostly if you angle the pic. she said; To Joe Iding Many thanks for the tour, Eloise Berchtold. My father was responsible for hatching the first penguin in captivity in the world. I would appreciate any info and some leads? Thanks! Mike Iding. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2846. Terrell Jacobs, 08 Mar 2009 - Did Terrell Jacobs train lions and tigers the same way as Clyde beatty or did he train them in the way that Hagenback did? Andrew Wightman. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2845. CBCB circus 1969, 08 Mar 2009 - I wonder if you would be so kind to help me solve a mystery as to my late father in laws death. His name was Burton P. Savage, b 1910 in NC. He was employed by the CBCB circus for many years as a billposter or lithographer. He died in Sept 1969 in Rock Island, IL. The old newspaper obit states he was in the "area" with the CBCB circus. Can you tell me where the circus exactly was in the early weeks of Sept 1969? Also, is there a way I can research his employment with them? Sincerely, Kathy Savage Daller, Spring Hill, FL. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2844. Palm Springs, trapeze death, 08 Mar 2009 - When I was a child in the 1950’s I attended a circus in Palm Springs, California. During the flying trapeze act a woman fell to her death. I would like to know more about this. I think about it often. Has this been written about? Thank you so much. Carol. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2843. Woods Brothers, 07 Mar 2009 - I'm not sure if you can help me or not, but I am trying to find any information regarding a Robert Woods or his brother, Adam Woods. There was another brother with them (James, I think) and together, I believe they were called the "flying woods brothers" or the "famous woods brothers". I can't seem to find any information for them. I have been told that they were somewhat famous in their day, which was in the mid to later 1800s. They were originally from Ireland, but lived in Pennsylvania for many years. I'm sure that they must have also traveled with a troop or circus as well. Any information you have would be so helpful and appreciated. Thank you so much. Julie Bush. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2842. Alberto Zoppe's passing, 06 Mar 2009 - I just spoke with Sandy Zoppe regarding the death of her husband, Alberto, today [March 5] at 12:30 pm in Greenbrier, Arkansas. Our prayers go out to Sandy and all the family in their loss; Alberto had been very ill and gradually lost ground over these past few weeks. He died peacefully surrounded by his family. Services will be announced in a few days with a Mass in Greenbrier and then a Memorial Mass in Sarasota at St. Martha's in early May. Sandy and the family ask for our prayers. Blessings, Fr. Charles. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2841. History of Hula Hoop, circus, 05 Mar 2009 - I am researching the hula hoop in circus. I am particularly interested in the earliest appearance of the hula hoop as a circus act, and trying to trace its early development. I am an australian hula hoopist and writer, my website is www.thehulahoop.com.au. Thank you for your assistance, hghest regards, Judith Lanigan. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2840. RBBB Route Book 1940, 05 Mar 2009 - Looking for information on obtaining a copy of a 1940 Ringling Bros. Route Book. Any information that you could please forward would be appreciated. BOBB. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2839. Merle Evans CD, 05 Mar 2009 - I am looking for a CD of the "Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus Band conducted by Merle Evans." I have used the record for years with our pre-school circus and I would like to use a CD instead as it is harder to find a phonograph. I would appreciate any help you can give me. Maryellen. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Sometimes Googling the album title or the issuing label name and number leads to legally-made CD dubbings. As an alternative, Richard Whitmarsh in East Bridgewater, MA has produced an extensive line of circus music CDs that are readily available directly from him (508) 378-9967. http://euchronia.net/sotc/. http://www.emusic.com/artist/ South-Shore-Concert-Band-Richard-Whitmarsh-MP3-Download/11564882.html. Fred Dahlinger
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2838. First person accounts, 05 Mar 2009 - I have just graduated university and have been pondering on the notion to write a fiction novel set in the circus. I have found and many of it on your website facts that will be useful. However I was wondering if you knew places where I could find first person accounts of their experiences and the real life of the circus. I'd like to learn what exactly they ate, wore and all the small things that could bring a great authenticity to my novel. I am not writing it to be historically accurate but I would like to get a sense of the reality. Are there any specific books, autobiographies, movies or anything at all that could help me. It would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Tina Mories. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Joe McKennon wrote several narratives about his experiences in the 1920s. "Logistics of the American Circus" covers the who, what, when, where and how inside every department on a typical 30-40 car railroad show in the 20s. "Circus Lingo" is his American circus slang dictionary (much of it appears now on online slang sites), and, you might also find www.goodmagic.com/carny/c_a.htm to be useful (and very entertaining) as it includes lists of circus slang for the US and UK, as well as carnival and vaudeville slang. Also available online from many sources and reprinted in softcover are the five "Circus Boys" novels by Edgar Darlington (a pseudonym). These were published around 1910-20, but appear they were written, or at least take place well before then. See my original message #1855 on this site for more background on these and replies. Lance Burton
2837. Elephant incident, 04 Mar 2009 - Hello, My name is Michael Martino and I am an English literature student at Illinois State University. I have been asked to do some research on Ernest Hemingway's circus experiences, particularly in regards to elephants. I don't know if I'm contacting you in the right manner about this inquiry. If not, please help redirect me. Anyway, there was word about a circus that Hemingway attended where an old and very domesticated elephant, most likely in the Ringling Bros. Barnum Bailey Circus, suddenly broke out of its cage and ran out of the circus. The elephant stopped running right before a field. Supposedly, the field was a site where another elephant had been buried. I believe this incident occurred in Cuba, but I'm not sure when. I'm sorry this is vague and I don't have many details (I'm trying to gather them), but any help at all would be greatly appreciated, even if you could just help me narrow down my search. Any leads on stories of elephants breaking out or stories concerning elephant burial from 1890-1950 would help. Thank you, Michael Martino. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
During the teens, say 1915 to 1921 era, there was a show called Santos y Artega in Cuba. I am not 100% sure if this was a full fledged circus, a traveling animal display or what, but they sold a couple elephants to people in America. Perhaps this will give you something to start with. My personal thoughts would be to try to explore the Manula and Lelibardi connection in the winter on 1950/1951. While the Ringling route books do not provide any information on the Cuba tour, you might try newspaperarchive.com which is a subscription based service of 80 million newspapers or contact the Ringling Museums in Sarasota, Florida or the Circus World Museum Library in Baraboo, WI to see if they can provide any more details. Bob Cline
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2836. RBBB posters 1945-46, 04 Mar 2009 - Wondering whether anyone can direct me to someone with knowledge about Ringling Brothers/Barnum & Bailey Combined Shows stitched four-section canvas posters that were produced circa 1945-46. They are approximately 78" x 116" and signed "Bill Bailey" in the lower left corner. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide directly or by referral. James Steele. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2835. Dainz Circus, 03 Mar 2009 - Has anyone heard of Dainz Circus? I have come across the name while doing some local history research of Bowers Gifford. The story is that Dainz Circus overwintered his animals on a farm in Bowers Gifford Essex. Jo. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2834. Ringling Bros wagon No. 43, 28 Feb 2009 - I have some photos and a sketch of this wagon, but would like more detailed info; i.e., details of the frame, how the side bars worked, etc. Any info would be helpful. Ford (CHS mbr #4531). Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
The center pole wagon #43 was 42 ft long. Originally it was carried on 16 wheels, but these were later reduced to 12. There were two double wheels on the front end and three sets in the tandem of double wheels on the rear. (later they found that the three axles on the rear, for some reason, did not work properly so that they had to remove one axle leaving two. The wagon was 8 ft wide. All of the Big top poles were carried on the floor of the wagon. The poles were lifted by tractor hoist (don't know which one) and then dropped in place on the wagon for loading. Unloading was done by manpower, however there were two detachable skids made of U beams about 4 inches by 4 inches. The skids were about 6 or 7 ft long with a polding leg about half the height of the wagon. These skids were attached to the side of the wagon with the short leg allowing a slight slope to the skid. The wagon was pulled by a tractor along the pole line. At each location it stopped, a pole was pulled by rope onto the skid and then slowly rolled down to the end of the skid and dropped to the ground so that the bottom end of the pole was places at the toe pins ready to have the bale ring and mud blocks put on. The tires were 44 inch in diametere and the wagon bed was 4 foot above the ground. It was 7 1/2 foot wide. side stakes were 6 foot 6 inches high above the bed and the wagon bed was 8 inches thick. There is a Plan for the wagon in the July-Aug 1980 issue of the Little Circus Wagon (Circus Model Builders Publication). Ned Kronberg
2833. Wombwell circus, 27 Feb 2009 - Did the Wombwell circus ever visit Lenham in Kent or the surrounding area between 1858 and 1860. Dennis. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2832. Highwire fall 1960s, 26 Feb 2009 - I am searching for information about a incident that happened in a circus on Madisonville KY in the mid-1960’s. I saw a tightrope walker (female) fall from the highwire. I believe she broke her neck. I have always been haunted by the memory and have often wondered who she was and what happened to her. Is there any way to find out? I do not know the name of the circus. Thanks very much, J.A. Owens. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2831. Miniature circus, 26 Feb 2009 - I was wondering if anyone would have any idea what to do with or who might me interested in a very large miniature circus. It has over 62,000 pieces all hand carved in the early 1900's by my grandfather. It all goes up as a real circus would and everything packs into the wagons as it would have at the circus. It is really beautiful and was in storage for several years until the facility closed. My mother now has it and we have been trying to find a place for it. It takes a 14x62 ft platform to display. Thanks for your help. Laura Dougherty. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
To a degree, the ability to readily deal with their future is a function of: the model quality; scale; adherence to a prototype; vintage; overall size; completeness; condition; and the fame of the builder. Is the circus a highly-detailed, accurate scale model, or does it have a "folk art" quality about it? Is it a collection of a few vehicle models or an entire circus? Each has pro and con aspects. These factors and others have a direct bearing on "desirability." A first step in assuring an appropriate future would be to have your model assessed, to make a determination of just what it is and what it represents. Conventional appraisers (non-real estate) can provide some "comparable value" insights, and a monetary value if one becomes necessary, but you are more apt to gain the needed insights from individuals who have a knowledge of circus history, circus modeling and related activity. You might be able to ascertain the presence of appropriate individuals in your locality by making known your geographic location, and/or contact information. A few model circuses have been gifted, by pre-arrangement, to institutions, including history museums, children's museums, historical societies and libraries. At least two are also part of state fair exhibition presentations [WI and MA]. Simply wanting to give it, or making such a statement in a will, doesn't automatically make the transfer viable. Their acceptance decisions are based on the factors stated above, along with criteria relating to their mission, public programming agenda, staff, storage, exhibition space and funding. If your model has a strong local connection, it might be pursued from that perspective. Commitments for immediate or perpetuated exhibition, if that is your goal, need to be explicitly defined in a written statement of gift. If a gift is unrestricted, an institution must only retain a gift for three years, to meet IRS criteria for tax purposes (if the donor is eligible), before it can be disposed of by whatever means they choose. Ethically and professionally managed institutions would not accept a model unless it fit into their longer-range plans; they do not accept items to knowingly engage in later sale of gifts. An institution can also transfer an item to another institution. Others have been sold at private sale to for-profit entities, including Ripley's, House on the Rock, etc. Finding such an outlet is a matter of research and luck. Depending upon the scale and vintage, a model circus may or may not be a good companion piece for a model railroad club or exhibition. More have been sold privately [negotiated sale or local tag sale] and at public sale, including auction and on-line auction of the ebay variety. The economy has drastically slowed such selling and lowered prices, making it an undesirable time, in general, to dispose of such things. Some sales involve selling the entire model in one piece. Others break the model apart and sell it in many lots. Once sold as an entity, you have no control over how it might be re-sold at a later date. The largest organized group of circus modelers is the Circus Model Builders International, which has a website, publication, annual meeting and local ring meetings. To what degree they might offer guidance would be dependent upon your contact with their leadership or members. Models are considered, to some degree, to be part of the toy and doll market. If a public sale becomes your choice, you might seek out better known auctioneers and auction houses if the model warrants it. You will pay a substantial percentage of the sales price to the auctioneer, but one that is well chosen with good marketing might prove to be a better choice than a local or regional seller. These are some basic thoughts. Soliciting input from a broad variety of people will empower you to make the wisest choice for your circumstances. Fred Dahlinger
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2830. John Szabo, 25 Feb 2009 - Hi, I'm not sending a geneology question, but my grandfather John Szabo was with The Mudgar Group (I'm not sure of the spelling) among the Ringling Bros. in Hungary before they merged with Barnum & Bailey (sometime during WWII). He did a once in a lifetime feat as a strong-man, catching five or more aerialists on his shoulders from a springboard. My brother, my father and I would greatly appreciate any articles or other news coverage of this event which could be obtained. Becky. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2829. François Brothers, 24 Feb 2009 - Dear circus families friends, please help me. I research for many years the origin of my circus family from Europe to Brazil in late 1800, probably 1886. Our circus François Brothers during about 80 years and close in August 1962. My family has Gypsie Boyash or Estrekaria ancestors. Great grandmother said she was from Austria, but I believe it was Austro-Hungaric Empire, including Yugoslavia. Ours family names are François (Frankovich ?) and Stevanovich (Stipanovic ?). In the same ship to South America are others circus gypsies families: Stankowich, Vassilnovich, Markovich, Mikaelovich, Lazarovich, Nedich, Victor. The Barnum Bailey Circus sent agents and had contacts with the François Circus. Anybody have some information about to give us? Thank you so much. João. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
All my mothers family, asked her to come over to America, but she refused and stay in France. My mother died a fews years after. In 1946/7? we were in South of France in Marseille, my sister and I went to visit the Tomb of my family, Mother, Father, and brothers. When we arrived at the Tomb, we noticed there was a bunch of beautiful white flowers placed at the Marincovich Family Tomb(Marincovich is my Fathers name) we were suprised, we went to find out to the care taker asking him who left these flowers. He told us that there were two men well dressed with Trilby Hats, they were asking about the Marincovich Family, it was sad that they could not speak French nor the care taker could speak english, they were from America, obviously, they were looking for my family, they were there two days before me and my sister were there. It was a shame they did not leave a forwarding address. In 1950, I got married to the Georgeovich Family in England. In 1962/3? I went to Paris with my family to visit my brothers family. We had friends also, that visited my brother in Paris, they came from Brazil, they told us a Circus caught fire it had a plastic top, it was a special day for the children who attended the circus, unfortunately they were burnt there was alot of children who died, it was in the Figaro News Papers all over the world about the tragedy. They told us that it was my family, and it was the Ringling and Bailey Brothers, they had the biggest circus in the world. I have been trying to find them since then. If you know anymore on this please let me know. (My mother and father was borne in Kraguvatz in (Sirbia)Yugoslavia. I hope for you this may help you, and hopefully help me also, to find out about my mums family, which are the circus people. They had to change their names to go abroad, because of the accident they caused on railway train in Italy. I look forward to hearing from you, you could write to me or phone. Mrs. Catherine Georgeovich, Worcester.
Please get in touch with me, it get us further with our search. We believe there were two agents looking for the family Mikhaelovitch, in Marseilles in the South of France. We were told they visited the family tomb, my mother is the last of the generation of the family of Mikhaelovitch, her maiden name is Marinkovitch, we have also, family here in England, they are Nedic (Neditch) Stankovich, Metrovitch, and myself a Georgeovich and we are also from the Boyash. We are all related, please get in touch with me, as between us we are able to find out some answers and family. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Kind Regards, Elaine Georgeovich Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2828. Saba Nahra, 24 Feb 2009 - Hi. Please can someone help me. I am really desperate to find information about my grandfather and his brother. There is some information I have found on circus sites but the information is incorrect. My grandfather was Saba Nahra and we do not know the name of his brother. They were both in the circus together. On one site we found a Saba Nahra with an Elisias or Elias Nabra and we can only assume this is a spelling mistake and the name was also Nahra. We know they were in a circus called Fillis circus. They could have been with another circus before that. The act we saw was named the Arab Bedouin act or troupe. We have found that on certain sites they were placed as moracans but this is incorrect. They were from Lebanon from a village called dhour el shweir and were from the orthodox church. Somehow from there we don't know if they joined the circus there and sailed for usa or Australia but the next information we have is of them in Australia in Fillis circus. We then find them in South Africa where we know Saba remained and left the circus. We don't know if the brother sailed again with the circus but we have a snippet that he went to live in usa. We have ascetained that Fillis circus was in Kimberley South Africa in the 1890s. We also know that at some stage the surname was changed to JOSEPH. The spelling of Nahra was also Nohra and Nahara. Please someone help us. Our search has now been undertaken for over 70 years so any information regardless of how small or trivial will be appreciated. Thank you very much. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2551. Fillis Circus, 17 Aug 2008 - I am trying to find any information about my grandfather who was a member of Fillis Circus in the 1800s. Mark Joseph (Nahra/Nohra), Durban South Africa, info@shongololotours.co.za. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Reply: 19 Aug 2008 - Look for posters and photos Fillis Circus 1887 www.circusmuseum.nl/eng. H.Best/Otte, The Netherlands Reply: 21 Aug 2008 - Hello Mark, what was your Grandfather's name and what did he do for Fillis? Is that his name in brackets? (Nahra/Nohra)? According to Prof F Vd Merwe's book on Frank Fillis, his show was back in South Africa in Nov 1894 in Kimberley. One of the acts were "the 'Bedouin Arabs' (Elisias Nabra, Saba Nahra, Mausoon Hanna, Saleem Jahjah and their trainer Mohammed Musfid) who made a great impression with their fighting techniques, stick fights and tricks with weapons". I hope this helps? regards, Jim Stockley (Pietermaritzburg)
2827. Bertie, 22 Feb 2009 - Can anyone fill in the blanks please. I have an item from my parents that refers “To Bertie from the circus 1946-1954” with the initials W.B.H. I no longer have my parents to ask – can anyone tell me who Bertie was. Thank you, Doreen McLaren. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2826. Fred Walton, 21 Feb 2009 - My grandfather, Fred Walton, used tell us stories about he and his brothers and their circus. They were from Traer Kansas. I would appreciate any information especially websites, URL or any other information I can get. Please send to mew52541@yahoo.com, Thanks, Melba Walton. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2825. Cirque Gatini, Eloise Berchtold, 20 Feb 2009 - Am looking to correspond with any Cirque Gatini members from 1977. Thank you, Rick Rosio, caregiversmontana1@yahoo.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2824. Circus toys, 20 Feb 2009 - I have a couple of Ringling Bros. items that I want some information on. They are Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus Toys (Punch Out Toys). One is "Leo" the Lion,and the other one is "Jolly" the Circus Horse. Could you give me a background of these toys. Are they cereal premiums of some kind? If so,what cereal were they offered in? Regards, Byron. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2823. Elephant tableau wagon, 19 Feb 2009 - There is an elephant tableau wagon at the Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota. There were three at one time and the Al G. Barnes Elephant tab is in the collection at Circus World Museum in Baraboo, WI. Does anyone know if the one in Sarasota is from Hagenbeck-Wallace or Sells-Floto? Thanks. John Goodall. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Joseph T. Bradbury writes . . . The wagon was built in Denver quarters about 1905 for the Great Floto Shows, owned by Fred Bonfils and Harry Tammen, with Otto Floto also in on the deal. Bonfils and Tamen were the owners of the Denver Post newspaper and Otto Floto the sports editor. The show became known as the Sells-Floto Circus for the 1906 and following seasons. There is a chance that the actual carvings on the wagon were furnished by the Bode Wagon Works. My first photo of the wagon shows it as the No. 1 bandwagon on Sells-Floto taken in Mexico City on Dec. 2, 1906. It was pulled by a fourteen horse hitch. The wagon served as the No. 1 bandwagon through the years on Sells-Floto. In 1914 and 1915 the show was called Sells-Floto Circus and Buffalo Bill Wild West, and Buffalo Bill himself was with the show. The wagon was on the show on through the 1924 season and then no doubt was there also in 1925. All of the three American Circus Corporation units, Sells-Floto, Hagenbeck-Wallace, and John Robinson went out in 1925 intending not to parade, but in late May of that year the parade was revived. The Billboard claims that the shows went out prepared to parade if it was felt it was necessary for business reasons. With that we can assume the wagon was also there in 1925. In 1926 the parade on Sells-Floto was abandoned, but whether this wagon was parked at Peru quarters or was still taken on the road I am unable to state. It does not appear in any photos I have seen of Sells-Floto from 1926 through 1932 the last year Sells-Floto was on the road, but during that time other tableaus were carried on the road some seasons, for example in 1929 both the Buffalo tableau and the old India or Jardiner tab were on the show. In 1933 the Elephant tableau appeared on the Hagenbeck-Wallace Circus now enlarged to 40 cars since Sells-Floto was not sent on the road. In 1933 manager Jess Adkins tried a few old time street parades to stimulate business and the Elephant tableau was used in those parades. The 1933 spot parades were so successful that in 1934 Hagenbeck-Wallace featured a daily street parade, one of the largest and best in history. The show was enlarged to 50 cars a move made necessary primarily to carry the added parade equipment. The Elephant tableau was used in the 1934 parade, although not as one of the principal bandwagons. In 1935 the show was cut down considerably and only a few parades were given and those in opposition stands only. The 1935 show was known as Hagenbeck-Wallace and Forepaugh-Sells Combined Circus, the latter title being tacked on to preserve the title from falling into public domain and also for tax purposes, so I've been told. There is a good chance the Elephant wagon was on the show in 1935 but I've yet to find it in any photos I've seen of that show. In 1936 the Hagenbeck-Wallace show did not go on the road but remained in Peru quarters. For 1937 season Ed Arlington and Frank Hatch leased the title and property and made a small fortune during the early weeks of the season before selling their interest to Howard Bary who continued to take the show on the road and do a good business all during that season. The Elephant tableau is supposed to have been taken on the road in 1937. The show did make a few parades in the early part of the season but cancelled them later. In 1938 Hagenbeck-Wallace again went out under Bary's management, but the Elephant wagon was left in Peru quarters. It remained there until 1944 when the Ringling interests sold the quarters. The wagon along with a few others who got repreived from the large wagon burnings that took place there and was shipped to winter quarters in Sarasota. The wagon remained in Sarasota rotting away in the sun and rain until late 1949. When I visited there in February 1949 the wagon was sitting out in the wagon graveyard down to the hubs in sand. A couple of guys were living in it, had knocked out one side and were hanging their wash out on a line. It was fast going to complete ruin, but fortunately John Sullivan of the Museum of the American Circus saw that the wagon was rescued and put in the museum to join several other old wagons that had ben placed there a year earlier. The Elephant wagon remained at the museum until December of 1955 when the Ringling management moved the wagons back to the winter quarters for a TV program. I assume the Elephant wagon went with the rest, although I don't believe it was actually used in the TV show. Anyway, it is still in Sarasota and can be seen either at the quarters or the museum. John Goodall
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2822. Air calliopes, 19 Feb 2009 - Hello. Does anyone know of any accounts of playing the early air calliopes, or of playing by hand an air calliope with player rolls? Was pressure adjustable on the early models, or only on later ones? Did they hold a tuning? I have read about the steam calliope's difficulties; did any problems remain with the air calliope? Thanks very much. Jessica Roeder. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
The "early" air calliopes manufactured by Joseph Ori and his Pneumatic Calliope Company in the 1910s did have the ability to vary wind pressure, as did others made in the 1920s, by the National Calliope Company. Instruments had a nominal wind delivery pressure of about 1 psi, but were tuned at a lower pressure, about 0.75 psi. The positive displacement, lobe-type blowers supplying the wind could sustain the lower pressure during constant playing, and thus the decision on the tuning pressure. Air calliopes did not have large reservoirs to maintain extremely stable wind pressures, as do large church and secular pipe organs. At most, there was a rectangular tank the size of the base and about a foot tall to be pressurized; some only had an enlarged valve chest. The device that modulated the wind was basically a "manually-activated spill valve," which released air after it had been pressurized. If there was an impact on the pitch, all whistles went up or down together, so the variation was less noticeable. If you observe an air calliope pressure gauge as the instrument is being played, you will see that the indicating needle swings rather wildly. It is testimony to the instantaneous variation in the wind supply, based on wind demand, and the response characteristics of the Bourdon tube style gauge. A manually-played calliope can consume a considerable volume of wind, while a roll-operated calliope can consume an even greater amount. That is because the player has only ten fingers, whereas the roll can sustain any number of notes, within the requirements of the tune. Air calliopes typically utilized an "A" roll, as it's known in coin piano terminology. It had 58 playing notes. Most air calliopes had 43 or 53 whistles. The manufacturers coupled the unused notes of the roll scale to the same note in a different octave, which also increased wind consumption. Manual playing of a roll-equipped calliope slightly increases the pressure that must be applied to the keys. That results from the player having to move the little pneumatic motors that would operate the machine in the automatic mode. It is not a substantial effort, but a player with a sensitive touch would know the difference. Circus steam calliopes suffered from having boilers with steam chests that were too small to sustain continued playing. That was the reason medleys were popular, along with popular music; they offered flexible playing possibilities. Knowing players would sense the falling pressure and back off on the left hand, continuing to play the melody in the right. Steam calliopes mounted on steamboats were generally not subject to such a limitation, the boat boilers being enormous by comparison. In general, air calliopes were much more trouble-free than steam calliopes, whether it be tuning, retaining the set pitch, general maintenance, etc. It is one reason why they were able to be played with the circus band, providing music for the ring performance. I suspect that the instruments were operated at full pressure during parade and when doing bally, but the wind was then reduced for indoor application. Unfortunately, no players left anything in the way of memoirs, at least known to me, that clarify the practice. Fred Dahlinger
2821. Japanese acrobatic act, 19 Feb 2009 - My name is Diane Wilkerson and I am searching for information on an Japanese acrobatic act that worked with Sparks Circus from about 1905 to 1917. My daughter-in-law's great grandfather, TOMEKICHI NAKANE, was brought to Chicago, Ill in 1905 along with 3 other children under 12 years of age to work in this troupe by OTORA NAMBA and her brother, KUMETERS NAMBA. I don't know the name of the troupe, but Tomekichi was still with Sparks when he registered for the draft in World War I. If anyone has information on this troupe, I would appreciate your help. The names of the other children are: KAISUMI SATS, KEISLURO ARAYAMA, AND MISS PAI SAKAMOTO (she was age 9 in 1905). Another member of the troupe was MURATO TOKI, AGE 26 IN 1910. Thanks, Diane. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2820. Baby Irene Hill, 19 Feb 2009 - Looking for information on Baby Irene Hill. We believe she was with the Circus in the 40s 50s. henry710 at att.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2819. Hagenbeck circus, bear tamer, 19 Feb 2009 - I want to know if some of the Henry Schroer ancestors work with the Carl Hagenbeck Circus in 1910 as bears tamer. Cesar Ortega, Argentina, fliaortega@netverk.com.ar. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2818. Small circus, ca 1942, 18 Feb 2009 - I am a writer writing a short story about a circus visiting Seminole Oklahoma in 1942. I need a realistic name; it must have been a small circus. Could anyone let me know the names of small circuses that traveled the mid-west about this time? I sure would appreciate it, and would even use your name as a character in the story as thanks. Michael Vance, author. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2817. Circuses, Europe WWII, 18 Feb 2009 - I am writing a story that involves a circus travelling in Europe between the years 1920-1945. I am trying to find out what happened to the circus during the 2nd World War in Europe. Did they keep performing considering it was the war years and what happened to the circus animals during this period? Were they given to zoos, shot for food, neglected? I can't find any information, especially the more exotic animals such as bears, lions, elephants etc. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Caroline. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2816. Elephant Bolivar, 1835, 17 Feb 2009 - There is a story that in 1835 an elephant named "Bolivar" (presumably not the famous one) was transported by ferry to the island of Nantucket. I am wondering (1) if the story is true, and (2) under what circumstances (circus or exhibition) was it taken there. Thanks for whatever help you can offer. New London Historical Society. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
The Zoological Institute is a study all of its own. It was known for its vast arrays of animals in their collections and had several different units at times. To what extent the Columbian Circus presented itself, I cannot say. The information in Mr. Thayer's book indicates the performers on the show were Napolean Turner, a two horse rider, Master Ben Huntington, Master John Aymer, rider, Peter Coty, Sam Thrift, slack rope, Master Timothy Turner, rider, Master Francis Whitaker, William R. Derr, clown. Bob Cline
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2815. Handcuff Queen, 17 Feb 2009 - I'm looking for information on a card I found in a collection of old family photos. It is a photo of a woman and on the back of the photo it says (if I can distinguish the autograph correctly) La Bell Ferrer (?), Handcuff Queen, Barnum and Bailey Circus 1911. Any info on her? Wendy. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2814. Gordon Circus Co., 17 Feb 2009 - Hi I'm looking for any information about the Gordon circus co. from the 1920's. High diver Robert Wolf (aka) Captain Flash Gordon. Gunite1@msn.com, Thank You. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2813. Doug Scott, 16 Feb 2009 - Would like to report the passing of former Wirth's Circus Manager Mr Doug Scott in Moss Vale New South Wales Australia on Feb 14/09. Doug was in his 80s. Doug was a great bloke and my former boss when I sold programmes for Wirth's when I was 14. Doug's wife Ursula was the daughter of German Horse Trainer Earnest Kuhne. Robert.perry3@bigpond.com, Australia. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2812. Heidi Wendany, 16 Feb 2009 - My son, Ken Taylor, did a single trapeze act with Kelly Miller Bros and Culpepper-Merriweather in the 1990's. He also stood in with a few other circuses. He passed away in December of 2000. I was hoping someone would know how I could contact Heidi Wendany, as she and Ken were friends and we may be living in the same general area of the High Desert in southern California. Thanks! Linda Taylor. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2811. Frances Parr, 16 Feb 2009 - I am working at a home for the elderly and take care of a 97 year old woman by the name of Frances Parr who used to be a cirus performer, a motor bike rider. She is a very interesting woman. I am looking for photos or articles of her. She has lost all of hers in her journeys. She tells me about the Royal Americans and the Chicago fairs. Her memory is faded, but I think she would be forever greatful if I could locate any pics of her. Long blond hair, stunt bike driver from the late 1920s. She also mentions the Henny or Zenny brothers or something simular to that. Please help me to make a old circus performer's (end of life). If you could see the look on her face as she thinks back, its a amazing thing. Please help. Dawn. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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2810. Thomas Kelly, 16 Feb 2009 - Help! Thomas (Joseph) Kelly was Commissary and Layer Out for P.T. Barnum 1876-79. He was Layer Out and Forage Agent for Barnum, Bailey & Hutchinson in 1882. Fred Dahlinger has kindly explained what he actually did for a living (see 2773 Thomas Kelly). Can anyone help me to find out more about him. How old was he during this period? I believe he was in England during 1887-8 can anyone confirm this? How can I find out which parts of Barnum's circus were working in England between 1882 and 1890? I would like to know if he was ever in some sort of a partnership with Barnum, Bailey or Hutchinson? Was he related to James E Kelly? Can anyone tell me where to look for these answers? Sheila Sexton. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
P. T. Barnum's: Thomas Kelly listed as commissary, layer out in 1876, 1877. I don't have the 1878, 1879 route books. In 1880 Thomas Kelly and R. H. King were listed as layer out only. Barnum & London (Barnum, Bailey & Hutchinson), 1881: Thomas Kelly was not listed in, though R. King and Homer Davis were listed as layer out, forage agents. This was the year Barnum joined with Bailey's show, so perhaps Kelly didn't have a position with the show. Barnum & London, 1881-1885: Thomas Kelly and R. H. King, layer out, forage agents. Barnum & London, 1886: King and Kelly listed as hotel and forage agents. In the daily narrative of the show Tom Kelly was mentioned. [page 22] Monday, June 28 - "Tom Kelly remains over Sunday and is made master of ceremonies of a social society composed of the ladies and gentlemen of the company. Music, singing and 'tent talk' make up the program." [page 40] Monday, September 13 - "R H King and Tom Kelly meet and exchange views as to hotels in general and Iowa laws in particular. Interesting topics pertinent to prohibition are liberally discussed by these sages. The verdict is rendered to this effect: 'Prohibition splendid in the abstract. Bar-rooms closed, but drug stores opened. No social drinking, but drunkenness noticed.' " These two mentions (the only ones I found in all the route books I have for these shows) indicate that at some point King and Kelly's job included making hotel arrangements? In the 1887 Barnum & London route book, King was listed with a Henry Barnum as hotel and forage agents, no Kelly. Barnum & Bailey 1888: Thomas Kelly and Harry Abbott were listed as forage agents, no R. H. King. For the 1889-90 winter in England, only Henry Barnum was listed as forage agent, no Kelly, no King. I don't have a route book for Barnum & Bailey during their sojourn in Europe starting in 1898, but I do have a list of staff, etc., undated but definitely from this time period, neither Kelly or King are listed. 1891: Present at the graveside rites for P. T. Barnum, listed with the "old time employes," was a Thos. Kelly. It seems that he may have been an employee at the time, but the list could be past and present employees. New York Clipper, April 18, 1891, p. 100. Kelly is a very common surname, thus difficult to search for in censuses, ship lists, etc. You may want to try to find him in Ancestry.com. It's a subscription website ($), but many libraries provide free access, check with your local library. To find out if there is more about Thomas Kelly and the circus, you probably have to read the "New York Clipper," a weekly publication that included information on circuses and the people in this profession. Check with your local librarian on obtaining this publication. It is available on microfilm. - Judy Griffin
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2809. South African circus posters, 15 Feb 2009 - As part of my research for a book featuring the work of a South African artist who was heavily influenced by his experiences with the circus, I am looking for images of South African circus posters for any year between 1930 and 1960. I would be extremely grateful if you could help. Ludwig Haskins. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2808. Herman Weedon, 15 Feb 2009 - Greetings, I am looking for further information on Herman Weedon and his lions and tigers, esp. related to his time with the Bostock Circus. Someone on this board has said he was "eccentric." I am wondering what was meant by that. Also what would the Bostock Circus repertoire have consisted of about 1904? Would it have included clowns, acrobats, horses, and dogs? Thank you for your wonderful Web site and for helping a circus "newbie." Suzanne. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
If you are looking for a good source concerning Frank Bostock's acts, find a copy of his book "The Training of Wild Animals." My copy was published in 1903, but I know it has been reprinted many times. It is full of pictures of Bostock, Bonavita, and Weedon, including one of Herman Weedon with the entire act. Herman Weedon's pictures are easy to spot--just look for the Silesian boarhounds! There is also an article by a different author but a similar title printed in the 1902 Cosmopolitan (Google Books has this online). Several of the pictures used in Bostock's book are in the earlier article. I hope this helps, Linda Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2807. Clyde Beatty, 15 Feb 2009 - I'm looking for anyone living who used to work with Clyde Beatty. I just finished reading his book "Facing the Big Cats" and wanted to know more about his training technique. I train domestic cats just for fun in my home and was curious about his training technique. My name is Linda Shaffer and my email address is bentrider@bellsouth.net if someone could enlighten me. Thanks, Linda Shaffer. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2806. Ironwood, MI 1942-46, 15 Feb 2009 - Does anyone know which circuses visited Ironwood, Michigan in the period from 1942 to 1946. As a kid living there then I actually watered the elephants and got a free ticket to the show. An experience I have never fogotten (it led me to a life in the theater as a director) and I would love to know which circus I might have seen. Many thanks for your help. Michael Addison. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership 2805a. Paul and Ellen Knight, 14 Feb 2009 - Does any one have any information on Paul and Ellen Knight? They were wire walkers in Mills Brother circus, Roger Brother circus and Clyde Beatty circus. I know that Ellen also used her maiden name of Unger and had a sister Anna Unger who was also in the circus. Would love to chat with anyone that might have information or know where I can find information and pictures. I just recently found out this information. Ellen is still alive, but has no pictures, her sister Anna had them and when she passed nobody knows where the stuff went. I do know that Paul came from a family of circus performers. My name is Helen Summerville, Bath, NC. Look forward to chatting with someone. Thanks ahead of time. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2805. Cream City Amusement, Strayer's Pan American, 13 Feb 2009 - I am looking for more information on two amusement/circus shows. One was the Cream City Amusement Company, which was probably associated with Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and the other was Strayer’s Pan American Shows. They were owned, managed or operated by Jarvis Robert “Bob” Strayer. The only reference that I have to either is the following: In 1917 Bob was married and living in Milwaukee and stated his job was Manager with Cream City Amusement Co. 1920-1950 roughly Bob was owner of Strayer's Amusement Company and Strayer's Pan American Shows. He traveled up and down the Mississippi basin from Hannibal, MO, to Natchez, MS and wintered every year in Memphis, TN, where he boarded his animals with the local zoo. On 17 December 2007, found online at: www.allbusiness.com/services/amusement-recreation-services/4586318-1.html Faces & Places On The Show Trail by Tom Powell, Publication: Amusement Business. Date: Monday, February 8 1999, "Fred Spencer, 67 and retired, traveled with many shows, including S&B Amusements and BOB STRAYER"S PAN AMERICAN SHOWS. He was at the Arkansas Assn. of Fairs convention." (ie, travel dates to at least post to 1932) I would like to get a little memorabilia or a clearer idea of the operating period or routes of the organization and when it started and ended. Having found this site I am hopeful that someone might remember more. Glenda S Strayer, Columbus, OH, oolong@dragonbbs.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2804. Photos, lion cage wagon, 13 Feb 2009 - Where might one find good pictures of the covered wagons of a traveling circus? I am interested in what the covered wagons looked like that carried the lions. Thank you! Vanessa. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
Overland circus troupes, with few exceptions, booked hotel or other building accommodations for most employees. Some may have remained "on the lot," and there are a few limited references to "hotel wagons" and the like that might have served to house some troupe workingmen. The generic "gypsy wagon" type living van [which was brought to a high degree of design in England] was generally not used by American traveling shows, though there were some exceptions, such as the Whitney family. These were typically large, box-bodied wagons. In those cases, the vehicles did serve as overnight sleeping sites on the show lot. They often played smaller communities where hotel accommodations weren't available and therefore had to carry their own bunk facilities. You can find a typical overland circus lion cage photograph in the book "The Great Circus Street Parade in Pictures," page 91, top. It is a working cage that would have been rolled into the ring, bars filling the sides and back to maximize the viewing from the seats. The access was via a swinging panel in the back. It was not unusual to have the master of the beasts ride with them during the street parade. The light board side panels were removed for this photograph; you can see the top board was hinged and flipped up on top of the roof. The clips to hold the boards in place during overnight travel can be seen at the corners, with a turning retainer in the center of the side bars. It is also possible that a sewn canvas cover may have been placed over the vehicle while in transit, to conserve animal body heat and protect any paintings or decorative scenic panels on the side panels from road damage and weather. The bundle on the driver's footrest might be such a cover, though it may also have been a blanket issued to cover the soiled driver's trousers during parade. Other features include: a very light duty constructed body, with a wooden plank on bent ribs roof and a simple framed floor [reinforced by truss rods]; narrow tire, large diameter wheels to navigate muddy roads; a "spring platform" style of sprung undergear [three springs front and back] to keep the floor level in uneven terrain; cleanout boards at the floor level for removal of feces and debris; a series of welded bars towards the left front that could be lifted to place things on the floor of the cage [water cup, food, keeper's chair, other]; wheel brakes, but no apparent means to activate them [usually by a foot lever]; metal step plates at the front left corner to enable the driver to reach his seat. If you look past the front of the wagon, to the vehicle in the back, you will see the lantern that was placed on the back of wagons so that they could follow one another in the total darkness of the early morning [shows left in the early morning hours, usually not at night]. Note that the wagon was fitted with no ornamentation on the body; no wheel adornments [no turned or carved spokes, no triangular wedges between spokes or applied carved panels]; no drops or tops [termed mudboards and skyboards by some]. You can see these on later railroad show examples in the same book. Some additional light-duty cages from the same circus can be seen in the photo on page 8, bottom. Be aware that these were used when the Robbins circus was on rails, though their designs generally follow that of the overland era. The show parade order was usually a lead carriage or heralding trumpeter [seen in the litho on page 2] followed by members of the troupe in carriages or on horseback, the show cages and then the baggage wagons [see engraving on page 7, top]. When moving between engagements, the show vehicles were usually divided by purpose, the baggage moving ahead first, followed by the cage train and then the staff and performers. You can read about this in some of the articles posted on this website. You'd profit from reading Stuart Thayer's book "Traveling Showmen" to gain broader insights, as well as examining some of his articles on this website. Click on "History" on the home page and go from there. Fred Dahlinger
2803. Circuses 1917-27 IA, MO, KS, wrestler, 13 Feb 2009 - Looking for names of circuses on this "circuit" of Iowa, Missouri, and Kansas. My grandfather was a wrestler during this time. Thomas James Bright Scott, originally from Liverpool England. Supposedly won titles in wrestling during this period, probably middle or light weight. A cousin says she heard he was in a circus (may explain the handstands?) He also did quartet singing. If anyone knows names of circuses in this three-state area, that could give me a lead. Judy Gemmecke, Mooresville, Indiana. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender. Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership 2802. German circus Hucke, 1895-1920, 12 Feb 2009 - Anyone have any information or photos from a German circus "Hucke" from years 1895 to 1920? I think it might have been based in Berlin, Germany. My e-mail FitnFunKatrina25@aol.com. Or respond to the board. Thank you. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
2801. German strong girl, Little Agnes, 12 Feb 2009 - Anyone have any photos or information on a German circus strong girl named "Little Agnes." She did feats of strength around the years 1900 to 1915. She performed from age 9 to age 16 doing feats of strength such as harness lifting a 500 lbs canon and holding heavy barbells on her outstretched arms, lifting heavy round kettlebells and lifting several people off the ground at one time. Please respond to FitnFunKatrina25@aol.com or respond on this board. Thank you. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.
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