Message Archives:

3151-3200

3101-3150

3051-3100

3001-3050

2951-3000

2901-2950

2851-2900

2801-2850

2751-2800

2701-2750

2651-2700

2601-2650

2551-2600

2501-2550

2451-2500

2401-2450

2351-2400

2301-2350

2251-2300

2201-2250

2151-2200

2101-2150

2051-2100

2001-2050

1951-2000

1901-1950

1851-1900

1801-1850

1751-1800

1701-1750

1651-1700

1601-1650

1551-1600

1501-1550

1451-1500

1401-1450

1351-1400

1301-1350

1251-1300

1201-1250

1151-1200

1101-1150

1151-1100

1001-1050

951-1000

901-950

851-900

801-850

751-800

701-750

651-700

601-650

551-600

501-550

451-500

401-450

351-400

301-350

251-300

201-250

151-200

101-150

51-100

1-50


CHS Main page    Circus Historical Society    Membership

Circus History Message & Discussion Board

Send a Message     Current Messages

Before you send your message, have you done a search for the information you are looking for? Use the search on this website and your favorite search engine.

If you arrived here via a search engine, use "find" to locate the item.

This board is provided by the Circus Historical Society, Inc. for posting questions or conducting discussions regarding circus history.

  • Please do not submit attachments, genealogy questions or questions regarding the value of circus memorabilia.

When you click on Send or Respond to a Message above, your browser will attempt to send your question or comment using its email program. If you prefer to use a different email program to send your message, please address your question to circushistory@gmail.com with Circus History Message in the subject line.

Circus History Message must be in the subject line of your email. You must include at least your given name. Your city and state would be appreciated. Your response should include the topic of the message you are replying to in the text of your email, as well as your name. Please read the Guidelines and Disclaimer before emailing your message or response. Your message or response will be posted within one week, unless otherwise indicated above. Read Guidelines and Disclaimer regarding genealogy questions.


Message Archive: Messages 3051 - 3100



3100. George Rowe, Kalamar, 30 Sep 2009 - We are looking for Mr. George Rowe "Kalamar" who was a supportive part of our space for the performing arts, A Better World. We closed in 1996 and have spent years developing a place for artists to gather and develop performances. We have a ranch in the Mojave Desert that is an oasis in the California landscape. Kalamar was an important part of our learning curve, we would like to invite him to visit the ranch as our guest. We hope you can help us contact him. Judi and Jim Sarkisian, Newberry Springs, CA. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3099. Announcements, 29 Sep 2009 - "Rides and Spangles," circus exhibit, Clarke Historical Library, Mount Pleasant, Michigan, Sept. 15 to Jan. 31, feature various events and speakers throughout the months. Featuring videos, books, artifacts, and a miniature circus and carnival train. Sept. 29 and featured Detroit circuses and maritime historian, John Polacsek and Erin Foley, archivist at the Circus World Museum, discussed their circus research, research trends on the topic and the museum, home of the Ringling Bros. and Gollmar Bros. circuses. Mike and Karen “Janke” Janczewski from the Janke’s Circus will speak at the event on Oct. 13. They will discuss circus fans, model buildings and miniature circuses. Pat Pagel, current national president of Circus Fans of America Association also is scheduled to speak that day.
    Google Books has digitized Billboard from about 1942 to the present.
http://books.google.com/books?id=LRMEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard&client=
firefox-&source=gbs_navlinks_s#all_issues_anchor. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3098. Trapeze, triple somersault, 28 Sep 2009 - My name is Finn Hansen. I’m trying to help Lasse Lønholm, an old friend of my family here home in Denmark – Scandinavia. He tells that his father was the number 3 or 4 in the world to make a triple somersault in the flying trapeze and want to find anything in the history that can verify the information’s given to him since childhood only, by his father Sven Aage Lønholm. I here try to give a summary of what I’ve’ picked up.
    Sven Aage Lønholm born 1907 in Denmark.
    1922 – Arrived to New York employed on a freight ship. Sailed approx. one year from NY to South America and vice versa. On one of the turns to NY he meets a flying trapeze troupe which limitedly catches his mind. (Already as a very young child he builds his own trapeze and swung it in the woods home in Denmark). The troupe he meets consists of as - I hear it - maybe a married couple with a daughter and maybe more artists and a catcher which never showed up. While sailing, the troupe parasitized their skills on the deck of the ship and Sven Aage joined the training with huge interest and got hired as a stand in for the missing catcher which also gave access to a working permission in another mans name in the lack of his own permission!
    1923 – The troupe performs in two circuses which names should be something as Robinson’s and Sells Floto Circus. Sven Aage now behaves the triple somersault and another catcher may now be in place
    1923 – 1924 The troupe perform with the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus in the centre show where an accident occurs. While Sven Aage and a catcher stands on a platform, something in the rigging suddenly cracks and results in a vertical fall directly down from the platform. First the catcher hits the ground and is drop dead. In the following second Sven Aage is landing on top of the catcher. Sven Aage wakes up on hospital with a broken neck with no one around him except of the personal of the hospital. He got told that the troupe have left town and he have to stay in bed for several weeks. With no money and no insurance he decides to “escape” from the hospital. For a while he lives as a vagabond before turning himself into an education as a diver in the US navy. Some day in the seamen’s church he recognises himself on a picture. The family home in Denmark is searching for him since he “forgot” to tell about his plans of leaving Denmark for 3 or 4 years ago as a 14 or 15 years old boy. This makes him leave USA having Denmark as the next destination. It’s now here 85 years later his son Lasse is searching for some information which again leads us to the top of the letter.
    I hope for the possibility that it will start ringing a bell in someone’s mind out there. Kind regards, Finn Hansen, Denmark. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 30 Sep 2009 - Tracing and unraveling a second hand memoir can be a difficult challenge. Often the story lines become blurred or mixed. That may be the case with the events recalled by your friend.
        The only Robinson-titled troupe out in 1923 was the John Robinson Circus, a property of the American Circus Corporation of Peru, IN. That firm also owned the Sells-Floto Circus. An article about the 1923 John Robinson show in the CHS journal "Bandwagon" [VI, 5, pages 3-9] lists just one flying act in the program: Display 13. Trapeze number with the Flying La Vans, Celia Fortune, Teresa Morales, Mrs. [Eddie] Woeckner, Emmett Kelly [the famous clown] and the Moore Sisters.
        The 1923 edition of the Sells-Floto Circus was also covered in "Bandwagon" [XXII, 6, pages 36-45]. In the performance, Display 13 was the Bert Duo, Oranto Brothers, the Arleys, Jansley Duo and the Uyeno brothers. The Flying La Vans is the only name that really stand out amongst all the names. They received a page of coverage in Steve Gossard's book "A Reckless Era of Aerial Performance, the Evolution of the Trapeze." Perhaps Steve will have further details about the exploits this group? It might also be worthwhile to peruse Emmett Kelly's autobiography; perhaps he covers some aspects of his days as an aerialist.
        In 1924 publicity, RBBB featured the Clarkonians, the Nelsons, the Silbons, the Siegrists and the Neapolitans. The Clarkonians, Silbons and Siegrists are all well known aerial troupes.
        What seems clear is that the gentleman that you're seeking did not appear under his own name, but that of an act. This is quite common for riding, acrobatic and aerial acts with multiple members. It is that name that must be determined, and the engagements that they fulfilled.
        The circumstances of the accident seem unusual; generally, a flyer and a catcher would not both be standing on the same platform. I believe that a catcher usually reached his bar by means of a rope near the static catcher's bar, separate from a ladder that led up to the flyers platform at the opposite end of the rigging. It is also normal that the platform and the catcher's bar would be within the confines of the net underneath, though it's possible that an equipment failure might precipitate a fall beyond its limits.
        On July 25, 1926, at Chicago, during the last day of a RBBB engagement in lakefront Grant Park, the Flying Cromwells fell 35 to 50 feet from their trapeze rigging to the ground. The act was described as a husband and wife, Frank and Maud/Maude, together in the circus for 20 years. One story told of a hook holding up their apparatus failed, precipitating the fall, while another said that Mrs. Cromwell missed a swing and another trapeze broke. A view of the duo performing their act, likely in the 1910s, can be seen at:
    http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=137222&imageID=104496&total=
    766&num=60&word=col%5Fid%3A199&s=1¬word=&d=&c=&f=&k=0&lWord=&lField=&sScope=images&sLevel
    =&sLabel=Staten%20Island%20in%20Vintage%20Postcards&imgs=20&pos=72&e=w
        This is the only trapeze-related RBBB accident that was revealed in a newspaper search. Perhaps another researcher will find another. Your best source of information would be to scan the circus news of the "Billboard" magazine. Another single female trapeze performer also fell during 1925, but it seems unrelated to your description. Her act was sourced from RBBB, but was appearing at a fraternal-sponsored circus. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 01 Oct 2009 - I have been pondering this question of the triple somersault, and like most questions that rely on word-of-mouth legend, it poses more questions than answers. Here is what I think:
        Two things seem to be definite in this story; there was a catcher, and there was a triple somersault. Both of these elements dictate that this must have been a flying act of some sort, and not just a single or double trapeze act. Someone had to swing from one piece of equipment to another-or to another person. In the 1920s this could mean either a casting act, or a flying return act. The Peerless Potters were said to have done a triple from the hands of one catcher to another in their casting act in the 1930s, but this was not literally a trapeze act, and I don't believe Harry Potter was working at this time due to illness.
        This leaves only a flying return act. Only two flying acts were doing a triple in the 1920s that I know of: Ernie Clarke, of the Flying Clarkonians; and Ernie Lane of the Flying Wards. Clarke was the first man to catch a triple somersault with his brother, Charles, and Lane was the second, with Eddie Ward as his catcher. Lane died in 1921 in a bad fall to the net. That was too early for the mishap that Mr. Lonholm referred to in his story.
        During the '20s Eddie Ward provided almost all of the aerial acts for the American Circus Corp., of which the Robinson and the Wallace shows were a part. Harry La Van sometimes practiced with the Wards at their barn on Emerson Street in Bloomington, Illinois, so it is not surprising to hear that the La Vans were with one of those shows in 1923. Harry worked with his wife, Amy, and a number of other flyers, but they never had a daughter, and I've never heard that they performed a triple somersault. Eddie Ward's troupe, howerver, included Eddie and his wife, Mayme; and did perform the triple until Ernie Lane's death in 1921. It may be possible that Mr. Lonholm worked with one of these troupes, but neither of them contracted with the Ringling Barnum show in the 1920s. If Mr. Lonholm moved over to the Ringling Barnum show in 1923 or 1924 he must have changed acts.
        Of the trapeze acts that worked with the Ringling Barnum show those years, as Fred Dahlinger states, we can eliminate all but the Siegrist Silbons, the Clarkonians, the Nelsons and the Neopolitains because they were the only flying acts. The others were all single or double trapeze acts, and would not have used a catcher or attempted a triple somersault. The Clarkonians were probably doing the triple somersault. They had been catching this trick since about 1909. Tom Nelson's Flying Nelsons had used the Wards' training barn in the past, and had worked closely with some of the Bloomington people. Charles Siegrist's troupe was the Neopolitains. Though he was a great flyer, Charles never performed a triple somersault himself. All of these flying acts were at the top of their profession, and Mr. Lonholm could have been with any one of them.
        This brings me to the question of the rigging accident. I have never heard of this mishap, and as Fred Dahlinger points out, the Billboard made no mention of it. I would assume that it happened in practice and not in performance. It would not be in the best interest of the show or the profession to publicize it. As Fred points out, the story has been somewhat distorted if it was said that the catcher and flyer both fell from the pedestal board, because the catcher did not come in contact with the board, but climbed directly to the catch bar.
        I do have a photo of a flyer with the Flying Wards troupe that is dated 1925 - possibly taken earlier - which includes a flyer that I have not seen anywhere else. He is identified as "Whity Galvin," or "Galvith" but I would speculate that he may have been Mr. Lonholm. Steve Gossard

    Reply: 03 Oct 2009 - Dear Steve Gossard. Thank you for your very quick reply. It is absolutely fantastic what you have done here. I was sitting with my friend Lasse, reading your reply and when it came to the picture there was absolutely no doubt at all. It was his father he was looking at. And what I saw was that Lasse got deeply moved. I have promised him letting you know that it is the biggest day in his life. (Lasse is around 63 years and have absolutely no experience with computers). Lasse have a lot of stories from his father and if this leaves any interest for you I will help him bringing you the stories. Thank you again a thousand times. By the way. There where a married couple from your country visiting our town today. Obama was the last name. Maybe someone you’ve heard of. :-) Finn Hansen.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3097. Run off and join the circus, 28 Sep 2009 - Does anyone know the origin of the phrase: "run off and join the circus" or sometimes, "run away and join the circus". Is there a work of literature or early movie where this phrase is used? Patricia. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3096. Morton & Hammet, 27 Sep 2009 - I am writing to find out if you have any info regarding a circus that was around in the 70's it was called Morton & Hammet or it was reversed. My mother Donna Lockard and my aunt Debbie Lockard were performers. I have been trying to find a picture of my bio father. His name was Robert F. Atterberry. My ex step father Gary W. Peterson also was in the circus. I would apperciate any help. Thanks, Anna. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 28 Sep 2009 - It sounds like you are looking for the Hamid-Morton Circus. Morton is no longer used but the Hamid family still produces Shrine Circuses across the country. You could try to contact the Circus World Museum Research Library in Baraboo, Wisconsin to see if they have anything recorded in the "Yellow cards." These are a fast check reference for items in the Library. Maybe that will get you heading in one direction or another. You can also keep a close eye on eBay for old Shrine Circus programs from the early 1970's and ask the seller who produced the Circus to see if they are in the program or not. Usually the shrine programs had a promotional photo of some of the acts in them. Hope this gets you started. Bob Cline

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3095. Karl King's Golden Dragon Overture, 27 Sep 2009 - I urgently need to purchase a DVD recording of Karl King's Golden Dragon Overture which is being played when you are put on the hold feature of the CVS drugstore in Ocean City, MD. It is requested for a terminally ill friend. Does this DVD exist or can one be made? We would love to purchase or pay expenses for this item. God bless. Pat Templeton. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 28 Sep 2009 - A quick check on Google indicates the Golden Dragon Overture was recorded by the McAllen High School Band in a record titled Band Compositions of Karl L. King as found at http://karlking.us/records.htm It was written in 1917 and published by C.L. Barnhouse. If you'll try this website, http://karlking.us/municipal/09winter.htm they list the Golden Dragon Overture as a mpg video clip at 34 mb as a Baritone solo. Bob Cline

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3094. Robert Fossett 1890, 27 Sep 2009 - I have a lovely photo of Robert with my Russian bareback rider great great grandfather Alexander Whelan in their Jocky outfits! taken when they are both about 20 in 1890. janinemonterosso. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 30 Sep 2009 - Robert Fosset ('Sir) Robert Fossett) was my great grand father and I would be most grateful if you were able to e-mail a copy of the photograph. Thanks. Tom Sandow. fossett@supanet.com

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3093. Flying Behrs, 26 Sep 2009 - I am looking for information on the Flying Behrs, a trapeze group who appeared in the circus of the Ringling Brothers probably from 1934 until the death of Janis Wray in 1953. Janis Wray name off stage was Janis Sarah Rosenberg. The Flying Behrs were initiated by Jerome "Jerry" Wilson who, after the death of his wife, Sarah Janis Rosenberg, migrated to Australia with his son Jerome Wilson Jr. also known as Jay. I would particularly like to know of Jerry's activities in Australia. Best, Jules Feldman, jfeldman@yizrael.org.il. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3092. East Tennessee before 1962, 26 Sep 2009 - I was wondering if you could tell me the locations (or how to find them) of where circus' performed in East Tennessee prior to Knoxville building their arena back in 1962 (?). I've done research but the spots are listed generically. Thanks. Roger Thompson. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3091. Back Yard newsletter, 25 Sep 2009 - Hello everyone, I'm trying to establish whether the circus newsletter "The Back Yard", out of Bradenton Florida, is still being published and how to contact the publisher. Does anyone have any knowledge of this publication? My last contact was Jim Olson, but his e-mail address, thebackyard@att.net, no longer works. Thanks for any help you can give me, Sheila M. Hufeld. Milner Library, Illinois State University, Bibliographic Services. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 29 Oct 2009 - Hello Sheila: You might want to check with Cherie Valentine, who I believe works for your University there; certainly Steve Gossard should know how to get in touch with her. She had purchased “The Backyard” from the original publisher and was the one who sold it to Jim Olson. Olson published the newsletter for about one year, before he started missing issues. In our case, I think we renewed for another year, hoping for the best, and the issues became spotty at best, one showing up in the mail first several weeks apart and eventually months apart. The last we heard, he was going to try and fulfill the issues that subscribers had missed claiming illness and other reasons for the problems and then we received maybe one issue more and then nothing. We finally gave up. I sort of assumed he just abandoned the whole thing and/or perhaps died. I don’t remember anything about Bradenton though, I thought he lived and was based somewhere in the Midwest, Ohio maybe? Anyway, would love to hear whatever became of him. - Neil Cockerline

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3090. Hugo Darcy, clown, 25 Sep 2009 - Do you have any information about Hugo Darcy? He was a clown and later had a performing dog called 'Lucky.' He was Italian and died in 1971. Hugo lived with my Grandmother who had nursed him through an illness and lived with them after that, in Beccles, Suffolk. England. He was such a lovely man and I wished I had asked more questions about his life. Jonathan Smith. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3089. Tanit Ikao, 25 Sep 2009 - Does anyone know Tanit Ikao’s real name and history. I spent a lot of time with her as a child and liked her very much. Marsha Hunt Jones. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3088. Italian tightrope performer 1961, 24 Sep 2009 - I am trying to trace an Italian tightrope performer who played Portsmouth in 1961. I would imagine it was Chipperfield's Circus. Further to my e-mail today, I have reason to believe it was Billy Smart's Circus that performed at Portsmouth in July/August 1961. The gentleman I wish to trace is Italian and a tightrope walker or high wire performer. Any information you were able to provide would be most appreciated. Regards, John Cordell. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3087. Tex Ella's Wild West, 22 Sep 2009 - I'm looking for information on an old "mud show" from the early 1900's. Tex Ella's Wild West Show was run by my great-grandparents and it would have traveled through the south and lower midwest. Any information is appreciated. Thank you, Susan from Philadelphia. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 25 Sep 2009 - In the January/February 1972 issue of Bandwagon, Art Doc Miller, old time union billposter, wrote an article called "Mud Show Rambles" in which he mentions the Tex Ella Show. He refers to its playing mainly through New York and Pennsylvania. He also says the main feature was a long horn steer racing through the big top. Her paper often included the line, "See them Rope and Ride the Horses." Doc said Ella was sort a Rose Killian type, meaning an independent old time woman show owner. I know the show was out as late as 1940. Hope this helps. Whitey

    Reply: 05 Jan 2010 - Thank you for your reply! I did order that issue and just to set the record straight, the photo in the article is probably Cass Allen (later Foster). Do you have a personal recollection of the show? I am querying family but hoping to broaden the search.

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3086. Nobu Kawamura, 20 Sep 2009 - My grandfather was part of a circus when he was very young, his name was Nobu Kawamura. I will like to know if anyone out there has any pictures from that old era, specially may of my grandfather and other 2 brothers which they were part of the act. Thanks, Lucy. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3085. Elephants, Zambia, 19 Sep 2009 - This is truly the most interesting story. A "must read." Elephants march through hotel lobby after it was built on their migration trail in Zambia - from The Daily Mail. Warm Regards, Anand Dhotre.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1065865/Pictured-Elephants-march-hotel-lobby-built-migration-trail.html
Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3084. August deaths, circus, 18 Sep 2009 - In Australia the number of Deaths of some of our most famous circus names including Wirth's, Bullens, Ashtons, Perrys, St Leon, Lennons, Zacchini in the month of (August) is nothing short of incredible. It would be interesting to know if August is a bad month for circus people around the world. Robert Perry, Australia. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3083. Lulu Craston, clown, 18 Sep 2009 - My name is Bev Morley, I come from a long line of Tulley's on my mothers side, can anyone help me with a problem. I have a picture of a lady called Lulu Craston supposedly the first woman clown in Great Britain her father was Joe Craston, I am desperate for any information regarding either or both of these circus acts for my daughters project. Our family album contains a picture of Lulu Craston, this dates around 1930 - 1940 ish. Is there anyone out there who can help me. Always in best regards, Bev Morley. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 19 Sep 2009 - If you Google "Lulu Cranston" you will locate two photographs of her on Pat Cashin's clownalley.com website. She was with Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey for a brief period, a year or two at most. The 1938-1956 RBBB business records in the Circus World Museum library should include a card documenting her employment with the circus. It may have been 1939, though Pat indicated 1956; the image Pat attempted to date was printed elsewhere and should be able to be identified. Newspaper coverage places Lulu Cranston with the Bertram Mills Circus in 1935, billed as England's only female clown. Her father was named as Joe Cranston [also given as Craston], a veteran British clown. The coverage included views of her in and out of make-up. The CWM library also has a vertical file with numerous other entries on Cranston and other female clowns. Cranston wasn't the first female clown. One predecessor would have been [Josephine?] Evetta, one of the Matthews sisters [also given as Mathews, one may have been Virginia], with Barnum & Bailey in 1895-1896. If you do a Google image search for her, an 1895 poster will pop up multiple times. There is also another poster for 1896 to be found on Buckles Woodcock's website. The first female clown is said by some to have been Amelia Butler with the 1858 James M. Nixon's Great American Circus. Fred Dahlinger

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3082. Circus personnel, US Army, 17 Sep 2009 - I am looking for information regarding the use of circus personnel advising or even drafted into the US Army for loading trains. Is this true or myth. Any help is appreciated. Best Regards, Jesse G. Camp III, Orlando, Fl. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 18 Sep 2009 - A simple answer to your question would be that there was observation of "circus style" train loading by various military representatives, especially in the 1890s to 1910s time frame. This is confirmed by period references, photography, etc. It is assured that many circus train crew members were drafted or enlisted and served in all wars and conflicts up to WWII. To what degree these men were able to influence the decisions and plans made by the military officers is unknown.
        You probably need to refine your question, specifying the era of your specific interest: Civil War; later 19th century; turn of the century, WWI, WWII; or thereafter? The responses to CHS messages 530 and 918 provide a partial response to your query. They pertain to the turn of the century and up to WWI periods. Go to "Access Message Archives" to read them. Loading trains is also broad: do you mean the typical "circus style" end-loading of flat cars; the housing and conveying of animals; or the provisioning for personnel? Each has different origins and influences. Another area of considerable interest to military observers was the circus cookhouse operations, which were very mobile and could prepare and serve thousands of meals three times per day.
        I do not recall reading a memoir or hearing any personal testimony from a former circus person declaring that their specific knowledge of the loading of circus trains was the reason that they were drafted or joined the army. Buckles Woodcock, in one of the responses to the above queries, stated that circus owner Ayres Davies did apply his knowledge to the loading of army trains in WWII after he'd suggested and described such practices to other officers. Davies was in the USMC and attended their OTS in Quantico, VA, per his biography with a 1942 circus history article:
    www.wisconsinhistory.org/wmh/archives/search.aspx?area=browse&volume=25&articleID=13777. Davies experience included employment between 1937-1939 with Russell Bros. (a motorized show) and RBBB (a railroad circus). He also admitted to being a life-long student of circuses.
        Be aware that the flat car end-loading methodology wasn't unique to the circus and that learned people could readily devise such a system once the basic idea was in mind. Other commercial and industrial enterprises also utilized it, though many also used simple side-loading from a freight platform. There are pros and cons to both methodologies depending upon specific needs, conditions, etc. Fred Dahlinger

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3081. Portland, Oregon, 17 Sep 2009 - I remember going to a circus in Portland Oregon when I was very young, which I was told was the last time the circus came to Portland in a tent - I would like to know what the year and location was - I think it was in the early 50's. Thanks, Bruce. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 22 Sep 2009 - The last time the Ringling Brothers & Barnum & Bailey played under a tent in Portland, Oregon was August 27-28, 1955. Check the local newspapers for additional information on the lot location. You can look up other dates by checking the route section for other 1950 dates in Portland, Oregon. JP

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3080. Montgomery Queen, 17 Sep 2009 - I would like to find out any family information anyone may have on Montgomery Queen, of Brooklyn, NY. Born 1821 Brooklyn, and died 1901. He did run various businesses, including stagecoach, feed, and circus. He may be a link to my family. Thank you. Carole. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3079. Frank Foster, Bertram Mills, 16 Sep 2009 - My grandfather's cousin was Frank Foster, Ring Master for Bertram Mills Circus. Born 1892 does anyone have any information about where or when he died and his family. I remember in the early 1970's a grandchild of his coming to visit us at my grandfather's house in York and at least with his parents there was still some circus involvement, though at that point I believe the family were in the USA. I would love to hear any news/information anyone may have. Kind regards, Abigail Lloyd-Jones. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 23 Sep 2009 - Dear Abigail, Are you sure that Frank Foster was born in 1892 as I think he is younger and possibly alive. He married Dora Rogge (“Rogana”), I have known them well and they were both wonderful people. I think that they live in Miami Fl. Best wishes – Charly Ross

    Reply: 24 Sep 2009 - You are both right. Frank Foster (b.1892) was ringmaster for Bertram Mills. His son (Frank jnr) also worked for Mills, married Rogana and lives in America. jim@stockley.co.za

    Reply: 29 Sep 2009 - Hi Charly. Many thanks for posting your message. Do you have any contact details at all for Frank and Dora. (It was their son that came to visit us in York). Abby

    Reply: 02 Oct 2009 - Hello Abby: Indeed Frank and Dora are still alive and living in Florida, but not in Miami. They live on the west coast of Florida just outside of Venice. If you go onto the website CIRCUSPACE and look up retired chimpanzee trainer Sue Lenz, she may be able to provide you with contact information. Otherwise, go onto the Internet and look up their phone number in the Venice, FL phonebook. Good Luck! Neil Cockerline

    Reply: 09 Oct 2009 - Sorry, I don’t have more details about the address of Frank and Dora, but if you find them, please, give them my love. Thanks ! Charly Ross.

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3078. Clown ball noses, 14 Sep 2009 - Hello, The question recently came up in a discussion: who/where/when was the ball nose/putty nose for clowns first used, and when did it become popularized? I've heard from multiple sources it's a distillation of the Commedia dell'Arte masks, though there is one dissenter, who is a fairly reputable circus historian. (he wrote a book on Dan Rice, for Pete's sake!) It seems the ball nose was more an Auguste thing than a Whiteface thing. We know that Tom Belling used greasepaint on his nose. Lou Jacobs once told me that he jealously guarded his two hollowed-out rubber balls during WWII rubber rationing. I don't believe he originated the practice, but that does place it in time. I'd guess putty noses preceded the rubber, presuming American/European uses of latex are more of a late 19th/20th century development. What do you folks know? Thanks, Rich Potter. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3077. Orton & Older's, 1858-60, 14 Sep 2009 - I am in the process of writing a historical novel based upon a tour of Orton and Older's Great Southern Circus. The show I am researching toured from May 9, 1858 until September 15, 1860. The caravan made almost 700 stands in eighteen states during that period just prior to the Civil War. My ancestors were a part of that circus and any information I may obtain would be invaluable to the historical accuracy of my story. Any information or antidotes would be gratefully appreciated. Nick West, Gainesville, Florida. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 15 Sep 2009 - Primary source materials (route diary, sales document) about the show can be found in the Earl Chapin May papers at the Circus World Museum library. These formed the basis of the Orton & Older coverage in Stuart Thayer's "Annals of the American Circus 1793-1860," pages 402-403, and also in "Badger State Showmen," the chapter on Hiram Orton, pages 23-28. Both provide insights based upon further searching of period newspapers and record several interesting aspects of show operations and the principals. Thayer's "Annals," plus his "Traveling Showmen" and "The Performers" provide as fine an overview of the era as you'll find anywhere. You can supplement it with other memoirs, and additional writings by Thayer, a number of which are posted on this website. Go to the home page, click on history and search suitable entries. Therein you'll find Slout's "Olympians" of the Sawdust Circle," which provides cameo biographies of the principals and some performers. These are readily available materials, then it's down to tracing the lore of the circus in thousands of entries in various collections and reading as many newspapers as possible. Fred Dahlinger

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3076. Horst Hortinis, 14 Sep 2009 - I'm looking for a man who worked as an acrobat for an East German circus, based in Magdenburg, during the late 50's early 60'. His name of art at the time was HORST HORTINIS and should be of the age 65-70 today. During 1959-60 he was on tour in former Soviet Union, todays Russia. If anyone has any kind of information about either him directly or information about East German circuses active at the time in general please contact me. Anything helps as I'm trying to find a needle in a hay stack. Kind regards, Carolina Stalhandske. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3075. Rueben Allen Steere, 11 Sep 2009 - Would anybody have any information on Colonel Rueben Allen Steere? He was in the Stone Murray Circus and Pollard's Lillipution Opera? Thank you so much, Susan Norden. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 12 Sep 2009 - Steere was born in Glocester, RI, on Oct 19, 1838. In his early adult years he sold farm products and eventually owned his own farm. He entered show business in 1870 (at the time he was 44 inches tall and weighed 43 pounds) working for Fred Burch who operated the “museum” or side show with the Stone & Murray circus. It was the custom for a showman such as Burch to organize a side show and then arrange to travel with a circus. Steere continued with Burch for a second year but this time they traveled with George F. Bailey’s circus. In 1872-73, Steere had a new employer and accompanied the North American circus. The next year he followed L.B. Lent’s circus but the side show closed mid-season due to poor business in the Canadian maritime provinces. Steere went back to farming for three years before returning to show business where he appeared most often in dime museums before joining the Lilliputian Opera Company in January 1879. The Lilliputian show featured many well-known midgets such as Admiral Dot, made famous by Barnum as a successor to Tom Thumb. It was with this company that he met his wife, Rebecca Ann Myers (1853-1927) who began traveling in 1873 with G.G. Grady’s circus and later other small circuses until November 1878 when she joined the Lilliputian Opera. They were married in Rochester, NY, on Sunday, March 7, 1880. Future engagements for the couple were generally with tent museums at fall agricultural fairs or at the Coney Island Aquarium. They apparently left show business soon after 1882 and settled in Rhode Island, where he operated a farm until his death on Feb 28, 1915. Both he and his wife are buried in Chepachet, RI. - Richard W. Flint, Baltimore, MD

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3074. Bucking Bronco trick bicycle, 10 Sep 2009 - Hello, RE: Vintage Bucking Bronco trick bicycle (saddle goes up/down to propell along) We are researching the history of our vintage Hawtin up/down bicycle made by Hawtins firm of Blackpool, and wonder if anyone knows if these were used in the Circuses, which Circuses, & which performers? Also what years? Is anyone able to supply us with old photos? or programmes? We wonder if any were used at Blackpool Tower Circus, Bertram Mills Circus at Sutton Coldfield, Sutton Park by the old crystal palace there in 1900s.
    The bikes have solid tyres, heavily made with cranks, no brakes or chain, & they are propelled along by the rider bumping up/down on the saddle with fee on metal fixed 'pedals'. The wheels had covered in metal spats painted with coloured swirls/triangles usually reds, greens, yellows, orange. We have learnt that they were supplied to funfairs around the 1950's (Clacton, Blackpool, Sutton Coldfield) and people are telling us that some were bought from a circus sale. Hoping someone knows something. Regards, Chris & Di, Circus fans. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 11 Sep 2009 - In the 1920s and 1930s a number of mechanical horse rides were invented by various designers to give new life to the venerable carousel figure. A variety of different devices were patented and manufactured. The Philadelphia Toboggan Company, a prominent manufacturer of merry-go-rounds [gallopers] and roller coasters developed something that was reportedly termed the "Hobby Horse." It was a tricycle, not a bicycle, utilizing a horse figure. There was a single wheel in front, two behind, with a front steering gear and a horizontal pivot in the center of the body. The seat was situated on the rear half, behind the horizontal pivot. The rider alternately pushed on "stirrups" on the lower reaches of the front half and pulled on a set of bicycle-like handle bars, with upright handles, on the upper front half. Those alternating motions, coupled with lifting off and then applying pressure to the seat imparted an inch-worm sort of motion to the device, propelling it forward. These seem to bear some similarity to your device, as seen in the video posted at the Blackpool Gazette site, except that the PTC ride was more "sedate," providing a sinusoidal curve motion with a longer length.
        I don't recall seeing any advertisements, but a film of the ride in action is held by the firm, which still exists in suburban Philadelphia, in Hatfield, PA. It can be see in a 1993 compilation, "Coaster & Park Films from the Philadelphia Toboggan Co." issued by Tim Young Productions, Inc., P. O. Box 22134, Louisville, KY 40252. I'm unaware if it's still available. A fleet of PTC Hobby Horses was shown in the film in use on a wooden boardwalk, likely Atlantic City, before WWII. They appear to be suited to level, hard surfaces. They can readily navigate corners. With a bit of decoration, they could be turned into some sort of bucking bronco riding-like apparatus.
        Perhaps PTC licensed a British manufacturer to issue them overseas, or maybe someone derived a two-wheel version from PTC's three? PTC once made the Skee-Ball game [c1945-c1977], coaster trains and other devices. Perhaps a connection came about via arcade work? You might try doing a search of patent records, but unfortunately the key word searching functions for on-line files often isn't very reliable. You might also try posting a query at www.napha.org, the website of the National Amusement Park Historical Association. Someone there might have knowledge of the Hawtins-made device [see Discussions before posting a query]. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 24 Sep 2009 - Another mechanical horse tricycle, in a faux circus ring, can been seen at 1:06 in this British Pathe film clip: www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=80832. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 29 Sep 2009 - Thank you so much Fred Dahlinger for kindly replying to our request re the Hawtin trick bike, your information has been helpful to us in our research. Regards, Chris & Di, UK

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3073. Ferocious tiger litho, real or not?, 10 Sep 2009 - I found a (poster/litho) of the ferocious tiger, 32' x 23 1/4'' and the bottom left side says P 4 - 1916. Right side says copyright 1916 by the Strobridge Litho Co. Cincinnati & New York. It is on a thick poster board and the colors appear to be deeper shades of the blues and brown and more beige than white and a vivid red color. That is, I am comparing mine to the picture on the web site. Please reply. Betty Valentine, New Castle, De. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 15 Sep 2009 - Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey began reproducing some of their historic posters in the early 1970s for sale to fans and collectors. For several seasons examples were stapled into program books, along with being sold at concession stands during performances and by mail order. Except for the very first set from 1970, all of the Ringling-Barnum reproductions are easily identified because of the “P” number that you mention in your posting. While the posters were originally 26”x17” – in 1976 a larger size (approximately 2’x3’) was introduced. Your Barnum & Bailey tiger poster (marked P-4) dates from that era. Original posters produced by Strobridge during that period measure approximately 42”x28” (a standard one-sheet) or are a multiple or fraction of that dimension (for example a half-sheet would be 21”x28”). Chris Berry email: circusposters@gmail.com

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3072. James McIndoo, 09 Sep 2009 - I'm looking for pictures and information about my great uncle, James McIndoo. He appeared with, I believe, the Forepaugh and Sells circus around 1887 or 1888. Dale Blanshan, Rochester, MN. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3071. Bert Williams, 08 Sep 2009 - I am doing research on a documentary film about Vaudeville and we are interested in Bert Williams. I, too, have read his references to training with a European mime named Pietro but have not been able to find anything else about him. Were you able to find any more information about him based on your request below in 2006? Terri Foxman.
    Pietro, pantomime, 26 April, 2006 - I am looking for a master pantomime named Pietro. Not sure if he was well known or like many performers, just a practitioner of his craft. I Have no last name and not sure if he performed in the circus, legitimate theatre or in the streets. Time frame between 1865 and 1911. Not sure if the location is France, England or Italy. Only information I have is Europe. He was the teacher during the summer months for Egbert Austin Williams, America's most famous black vaudeville artist and instrumental in teacher Bert the techniques evident in his famous poker sketch. I have been searching for a long time, tried almost everything. I hope you have some leads on any bearer of this name. Thank you. Ms. Scottie Davis. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3070. May Merritt, 08 Sep 2009 - Does anyone have any information on “May Merritt”. I have a colorized cabinet card stamped on the back, Alvin B. Warful, Photographer, Cadiz, Ohio. Steve Shelton in Danbury, NC. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3069. James Ward, 19th Century Clown, 07 Sep 2009 - I write local history for the Pottstown Mercury, Pottstown, Pa. Your Olympians of the Sawdust Circle is very interesting and has given me some good information on Archie Royer - born in Pottstown and Charles Parker who was married to Elizabeth Missimer a Pottstown girl.
    This note is about your entry for James Ward, who was Elizabeth Missimer's 2nd husband. According to your information Ward died Oct. 28, 1888 while performing on the trapezez. However according to the Daily Pottstown Ledger of Jan. 20, 1890 he was still alive. "James Ward far-famed circus clown and actor whose wife is a daughter of the laste Major M. Missimer, was in Pottstown on Saturday (Jan. 18, 1890.)" The aricle goes on to say that Ward, "Has made no circus engagements for the coming season yet," and the "Recent death of his old friend and patron, John O'Brien - great showman has disconerted his plans." Ward died sometime between the date of that article and Jan. 24, 1893, when the Ledger reported Mrs. James Ward of Philadelphia and her niece, Miss Viola Missimer spent Sunday in Pottstown."
    Is it possbile there were two James Wards from that period? Your information gives M. as his middle initial, while the Pottstown newspapers and a deed at the Montgomery Court House give his middle initail as "W." In addition an 1878 article in the Ledger states that he "made his debut in the circus of James W. Myers and Co." in 1850 and also lists some of the other circuses he performed with: Gardner and Hemming, 1861; Bailey and Co., 1865; several seasons with John O'Brien's Circus and Menagerie, and that "he has owned several circuses."
    Other Ledger articles show that in May 1888 he was with O'Brien, Ashley and Co.'s circus; in Nov. 78 he was going to New York City to "conclude negotiations with a manager of a leading variety theatre there for a winter engagement, June 1879"; he was a clown with Bachelder and Doriss' Circus; and May 1886, James Ward was with John O'Brien's Metropolitan Circus and Menagrie as a clown. Please don't take this a criticism of your web site, which I admire. Sincerely, Michael Snyder. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 09 Sep 2009 - Bill Slout probably based his Ward entry upon an obituary he found in the "New York Clipper," probably some time after the given October 28, 1888 death date. It's unusual to have such a detailed sequence of employment without having such a resource at hand. You will want to speak with your local librarian to determine if they can secure the microfilm for that journal via interlibrary loan, so that you can check it first hand. If his death was published in error, they may have published an update upon receipt of intelligence of Ward's continued living. Also see CHS posting 856. Searches through newspapers on line with key word searching may also broaden your scope of knowledge about Ward. Fred Dahlinger

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3068. Lipkos chimps, 07 Sep 2009 - Can you please direct me to anything available for this act of Lipkos comedy chimps? I was the assistant for the act for 4 years around 1977 and have lost all my memorabilia and pictures. Charles Wynott. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 02 Oct 2009 - Hello Charles: I collect 8x10 B&W circus photos and have some of Lipko’s Chimpanzee Act, plus I believe that I have some other promotional materials and letterhead(s) from the act. If you e-mail me, I will scan what I have and send it to you. You can e-mail me at circusartist@aol.com. Neil Cockerline

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3067. Oceanside NY, winter quarters, 05 Sep 2009 - Dear CHS Members, When I was a child I lived in Oceanside, New York (on Long Island). At the south end of town between Oceanside Rd. and Long Beach Rd. there was an area where a circus wintered its animals. This would have been in the 1940s sometime. A "wallow" near the water was always referred to as "the elephant hole" as long as I lived in the area (until 1957). The site itself was surrounded by chain link fencing and something like plywood to shield it from passersby. None of my family or friends remembers this. I would be so happy to have my memories confirmed and to know the name of the circus. Was it the Clyde-Beatty circus? Thank you for helping me. sbliedell@comcast.net. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 19 Oct 2009 - If you check the New York Times Archives there are two relevant articles. Feb. 15, 1939 notes the death of Charles W. Beall a retired banker who kept animals at Oceanside, L.I. He was the former owner of a private zoo on Mott Avenue which became the nucleus of the Frank Buck Zoo at Massapequa. It survived a few years for in June 1943 in Oceanside on Long Beach Road, Brother an escaped 6 year old orangutan, was shot and killed by local authorities. JP

    Reply: 05 Dec 2009 - Thank you to JP who sent an answer to my query. I am looking forward to checking the New York Times archives. SBL

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3066. Hoxie Tucker, 04 Sep 2009 - I am trying to find out some information about Hoxie Tucker's significant contributions and most notable achievements in the circus industry. If anyone has any information please contact me. He is my grandfather and I am trying to put together a record for my children so they can appreciate the man he was and his contributions. Thank you for your time and assistance, Kelly Williams cfprivatei@aol.com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 06 Sep 2009 - Your grandfather garnered a lot of coverage during his lifetime; a simple Google search for his name and circus yields many hits. The highest profile piece may have been the March 1972 issue of "National Geographic" which has an article about his 1971 tour. There are likely many people alive who could share their experiences and knowledge about him with you. You can locate a three-part summary article about your grandfather in 1992 and 1993 issues of "Bandwagon" magazine. Go to the CHS website home page, click on "Bandwagon," go to the indexes and then do some word searching for "Hoxie." You'll get numerous hits, skip those for Jack Hoxie. Some items may be available as back copies from the editor, others can be procured as photocopies from circus institutions, a few are directly available on-line via a simple left click. There are other published stories involving him, such as the 1993 one about the United Nations Circus of 1963. You can search for these additional items after accessing the summary series. You will also want to peruse the index to "White Tops," which is also available. Go to the home page, click on "Publications" and then scroll down to "Periodicals/Magazines" to access the WT indexes. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 08 Sep 2009 - In addition to the references Fred cites, the book “Mud Show: A Circus Season” by Fred Powledge (NY: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, c1975) is an account of the 1974 season with Hoxie Bros. Circus and of the many people that comprised the show that year. Richard Flint, Baltimore, MD

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3065. Performer photos, 04 Sep 2009 - I have three photos that were found in an old house in Iowa City. They are of three circus performers. The first two cards all have "Newsboy New York" on the front along the bottom of the photos, the last card has "Campbell Neqw York". The performers are: Harriett Vernon (dressed as a risque Roman soldier). Eva Barthold (looks like an acrobat). Agnes Evans (her costume looks like an aerial costume.) Anyone know anything about these performers? From the looks of the cards I'm guessing they are from around the turn of the century. Barb Comstock. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 08 Sep 2009 - The images you have—photographic prints pasted to a larger card measuring about 4-1/2” X 6-1/2” are commonly called cabinet cards. They were extremely popular from about 1880 to the turn of the century though examples can be found both earlier and later. Two that you have are part of a large series used as a premium for the sale of Newsboy Plug Tobacco, a brand produced by the National Tobacco Works of New York City, by 1892 part of American Tobacco monopoly. There are about 600 in the numbered series that was issued in the early to mid-1890s. Most depict actresses but a few are of baseball players and other public figures or even a couple of landmarks. Eva Bartholdi was a contortionist who appeared in vaudeville and the only Newsboy card shows her doing a handstand. Harriett Vernon was an English burlesque singer who was in the US at least for the 1893-95 period and Newsboy issued several cards showing her. The third card is of Agnes Evans, an actress active in the 1890s-1900s, and the Campbell name is likely the name of the photographer. Richard Flint, Baltimore, MD

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3064. Carl & Flora Bruce, 01 Sep 2009 - I am looking for information on two of the Al Barnes Big Show performers in 1922, Carl Bruce and Flora Bruce. Any information you have would be appreciated. Thank you, IceImages. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3063. Walter Jennier & "Buddy", 31 Aug 2009 - Does anyone have a complete list of the years and shows that Walter Jennier and his seal or sea lion named "Buddy" appeared? I know that Jennier had one Buddy on the 1934 Dill-Mix show and that this Buddy died at Mix quarters early in 1935. By 1936 he had another Buddy on the Joe B Webb Circus and I think went from there to Russell Bros. In the late 30s they were with Haag Bros. and then Wallace Bros. according to one Bandwagon mention. The next reference I find to the act is on the 1951-52 Wallace and Clark and later to Hunt Bros by 1961. No doubt I have missed a number of shows. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks - Dave. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 01 Sep 2009 - Dave: Here's what I found on NewspaperArchives.com. Should help fill in some years. - Judy Griffin.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, at Fitchburg theater, Fitchburg, MA. Fitchburg Sentinel (Fitchburg, MA), October 20, 1931, p. 1.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Dill's Circus. Logansport Press (Logansport, IN) May 28, 1932, p. 3.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Dill's Circus. Big Spring Herald (Big Spring, TX), September 24, 1933, p. 2.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Russell Bros. Circus. Daily Call (Piqua, OH)June 4, 1936, p. 9.
        Walter Jennier and seal "Buddy," on Russell Bros. Circus. Morning Avalanche (Lubbock, TX), September 28, 1937, p. 5.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Haag Bros. (not Mighty Haag). Kingsport Times, August 18, 1938, p. 10.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Russell Bros. Circus. Daily Mail (Hagrstown, MD), July 21, 1939, p. 2.
        Walter Jennier and seal "Buddy," on Russell Bros. Circus. Article says they were on this circus before and are are back this year. Big Spring Herald (Big Spring, TX), October 18, 1941, p. 4.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Polack Bros. Circus. San Antonio Light (San Antonio, TX), October 27, 1944, p. 2-A.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Arthur Bros. Circus. Waukesha Freeman (Waukesha, WI), July 31, 1945, p. 1.
        Buddy died of suffocation on his way to Portage La Prairie, Manitoba for the Portage exhibition. Winnipeg Free Press (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada), July 11, 1947, p. 4.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on Wallace & Clark. Greensburg Daily News (Greensburg, IN), May 13, 1953, p. 6.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on King Bros. Great Circus. American Press (Lake Charles, LA), November 7, 1954, p. 11.
        Walter Jennier and seal Buddy, on King Bros. Circus. Daily Reporter (Dover, OH), May 22, 1954, p. 21.

    Reply: 02 Sep 2009 - Thank you very much, Judy. This was very helpful. Dave

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3062. George, Louisa Marinoff, 31 Aug 2009 - I am trying to find old friends of ours George and Louisa Marinoff. Is there some way to contact them? They were performers at Busch Gardens back in the late eighties early nineties. Loretta G Valverde. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 23 Sep 2009 - I have this email address from George Marinof: georgemarinof@yahoo.com. Best wishes – Charly Ross

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3061. 1890s ticket cost, 30 Aug 2009 - Amy Hale would like to ask how much it would cost to attend the circus in the 1890's. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 01 Sep 2009 - Ask any parent "how much it costs to attend the circus" and they'll probably roll their eyes. It meant transportation expense to and from the show, big top show tickets, maybe side show tickets, purchased food and refreshments before, during and perhaps afterwards, souvenirs, losses to grifters, etc., plus perhaps foregone wages for skipping a day's work, etc.
        Are you wanting to know solely ticket prices in the 1890s? That's a simpler question. General admission adult tickets were usually fifty cents, children under twelve years of age were 25 cents. Those prices remained in effect for quite a long time before and after the 1890s. There was a difference if you bought tickets in advance [sometimes a reduction to forty cents] or reserved seat tickets [added cost]. In the 1880s there was a movement of cheaper ten-cent circuses, with accompanying reductions in features and attractions.
        In times of economic uncertainty some showmen didn't declare their ticket prices in advance, sensing what the local economy might bear and establishing the ticket prices on show day. That could mean the usual 50/25 split, or less. Some even adjusted prices between shows, if the crowds were great. There were also instances of showmen charging a ten cent premium at ticket selling locations away from the lot, for the convenience of not standing in the long lines at the ticket wagon on the lot. "Flexible pricing" schemes often brought heated commentary from residents, but it was pretty much a take it or leave it situation. Fred Dahlinger

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3060. Cole Bros., Clyde Beatty, 30 Aug 2009 - Hey Y'all: I have not been living in a cave, but what happened to the title of "Clyde Beatty" on the "Cole Bros. Clyde Beatty Circus." Why did Cole Bros. drop the name and no "Cats?" I did not even see a kitten on the lot in New-ark, Delaware last week. Ok thanks, "Doc" Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 31 Aug 2009 - Sorry, Doc, but you must have been in a cave. The Beatty-Cole show owns the Cole Bros title but leased the use of the Clyde Beatty part, originally from Beatty, then the widow, both of whom have passed on. Several years ago the show chose not to renew the lease. Clyde Beatty, Jr. has entered into arrangements for the use of the title on two shows, neither of which lasted long. Regarding the exotic animal thing, some circuses have just avoid the issue by dropping animal acts from their programs. Fortunately not all circuses have succumbed to the pressure. Whitey

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3059. Orchestmelochor wagon, 29 Aug 2009 - Several years ago I recall seeing a good photograph of the Barnum & Bailey orchestmelochor wagon in the B & B menagerie with the top section fully extended. I thought the photo was in Bandwagon but I have been unable to locate it. I have searched the Bandwagon archives and most of the magazines since 1990. I also emailed Fred Dahlinger but he only had access to one photo with the wagon in the background. Dick Britton. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 09 Sep 2009 - Dick, might the photo you recall be the one publiched in Bandwagon, Nov-Dec, 1972, p. 23? In Fred D. Pfening III's article on the Orchestmelochor wagon, it is referred to as the Peoria photo. Judy Griffin.
    Reply: 24 Sep 2009 - Think the photo you are looking for is in Bandwagon, Jan-Feb, 1983, p. 8. It's Barnum & Bailey, 1888, and appears to be in the menagerie tent. Looks to be the same as the one in the Barnum & London parade, 1886. If it is the correct photo, its in the Circus World Museum Archives. Seems to be a better photo, though not great. Do you have access to that issue of Bandwagon? Judy

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3058. Thelm Heise, Edward Jeffries, 28 Aug 2009 - Hi my name is Robin Hosmun. And I am doing research on my family. Mainly my Grandfather whom Ive never met. Nor has my mother. Now my Grandmother and Grandfather worked for a circus around 1942 thru 1950? I dont know the name of the circus, but it would have been in Northern California, Sacramento. My Grandmother's name was (Thelma Sydney Heise aka Thelma Diane aka Diane and aka (Jeffries). Born 3/28/26, died 11/1982. My Grandfather's name was/is? Edward Debo (d?) Jeffries I know he was in the World War 2 and thats all. My grandmother worked on the ropes with rings. They had my mother April Ann Jeffries 07/27/1942, still living and they had my aunt Lura Lee Jeffries in 1945?46/ she is deceased 1995. Any information would be appreciated. Sincerly, Robin Hosmun. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3057. Elephant Judy, 26 Aug 2009 - We are looking for some information for the Oklahoma Historical Society about a Stevens Circus elephant named Judy who died in Grandfield Oklahoma either in the late 30s or mid 40s. Everybody in town remembers about the elephant, but nobody remembers what happened to her. Is there anyone from the Stevens Circus who would remember? Thanks for any information you might have. Judie Brigh. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 31 Aug 2009 - Try checking the local papers as the show played Grandfield October 28, 1947. Ted Bowman Circus Route Collection.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3056. Circus bands, 25 Aug 2009 - Hello dear friends, Circuses are not my main subject of research but they appear in several of my researches about jazz pioneers who worked in carnivals, circuses, etc. I am particularly looking for images of colored musicians or bands that were employed by the great shows from 1900 to 1950. I thank you in advance if you can help me. Best greetings from Daniel Vernhettes, Paris, France. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 26 Aug 2009 - As you may have gathered from your research – most of the American circus bands of the first half of the 20th Century were segregated. The “Big Show” bands were almost entirely white, and the “Side Show” bands were almost entirely black – sometimes referred to as “Minstrel Bands”. Because they traveled from coast-to-coast, during the 1910s these bands provided a great way for ragtime, blues, and jazz to be heard by mainstream America. Any story about African-American circus bands should certainly include reference to P.G. Lowery, a cornet virtuoso who led a number of side show or “annex” bands including the troupe that toured with Forepaugh-Sells in the early part of the 20th Century, along with the Great Wallace Shows and Hagenbeck-Wallace. Born in 1870, Perry George Lowery became the first African-American to graduate from the New England Conservatory of Music. By the end of World War I Lowrey’s reputation as a musician was firmly established and when Merle Evans became director of the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Circus Band, he recruited Lowery to direct the side show band. Lowery led the Ringling-Barnum side show band from 1920-23 and again from 1926-31. In the 1930s he toured with Cole Bros, Robbins Bros and Downie Bros. returning to Cole Bros in 1940 where he remained until his death in 1942. There are reports that Merle Evans tried several times to transfer Lowery to the big-top band, but circus management was unwilling to integrate the band. Incidentally, the Clyde Beatty Cole Bros Circus of the early 1960s had one of the last African-American side show bands, conducted by Willie “Jelly Roll” Rogers. As for jazz in the circus – keep in mind that while he wasn’t African-American – big band leader Harry James was born into a circus family and as a child played drums and trumpet in both the Mighty Haag and Christy Bros. Bands. Chris Berry, circusposters@gmail.com

    Reply: 27 Aug 2009 - Perry George Lowery's name usually comes up first because of his long term and dominant presence with the largest circuses. His life is covered in Clifford Watkins' book "Showman, The Life and Music of Perry George Lowery," published in 2003 and still in print in paperback. An illustrated biographical synopsis by Watkins appeared in "Bandwagon," March-April 2004, pages 22-26.
        Watkins wisely consulted newspapers that catered to the African-American population and these same publications provided considerable fodder for two other important books about black musicians and traveling shows. Both were authored by Lynn Abbott and Doug Seroff: "Out of Sight: The Rise of African American Popular Music" (2003) and "Ragged but Right: Black Traveling Shows" (2007). Both are well worth a review by students of circus and allied arts history.
        Another volume that provides background is Bruce Vermazen's "That Moaning Saxophone, The Six Brown Brothers and the Dawning of a Musical Craze," (2004).
        Circus side show bands provided one means of transporting music, but so did the black and mixed race dance bands with excursion boats plying the inland waterways. Those operated by the Streckfus family perhaps played the most significant role. William Howland Kenney's "Jazz on the River" (2005) is a recent study of that phenomenon. I believe that there was also a mixing of these river bands and traveling show bands.
        As for images of black bands and musicians with circuses, start by looking for photos published in the Adam Forepaugh and Sells Bros. route books in the 1890s. You might find some on-line, but likely you'll need to make contact with institutions specializing in circus history collections or private collectors. You might try to contact Pascal Jacob, the French circus historian and designer, who has an outstanding collection of circus documentation.
        Stuart Thayer penned "The Circus Roots of Negro Minstrelsy," a paper about early [mid 19th century] minstrels and the circus ["Bandwagon," Nov-Dec 1996, pages 43-45] and it might be worth your while to review it. There's also the musical groups with late 19th century shows, like Forepaugh's "camp singers," that were derived from the success of the Fisk University Jubilee group.
        An African-American named J. M. Jackson also published a weekly column in "Billboard" magazine in the 1920s that provided insights for black musicians with traveling shows. This has not yet been mined by any musicologist.
        There is a compiled resource file about African-Americans and the circus in the Circus World Museum library, with one or more headings for black side show bands and musicians. It might serve as a ready resource for further information and images. One should also not forget about the singers that often accompanied these groups.
        Ma Rainey, associated with the blues, traveled with many shows, but references to her association with an actual circus is limited, Sandra Lieb [Mother of the Blues, 1983] mentioning activity within the "concert" or "after show." Some of the minstrel troupes with which she was affiliated were owned by circus people [Black circus man Eph Williams owned the Silas Green outfit].
        The Sverre O. Braathen compiled circus band and musician rosters, referenced elsewhere in these listings, do contain some side show bands listings and the names of some bandleaders and musicians of interest to your work. You might consult them to expand your database of "famous names."
        Despite the discriminatory practices by circuses that reflected American life, B&B bandleader Ned Brill did arrange for the black B&B side show band to participate in the grand entree of Barnum & Bailey one year in the 1910s [1916]. Fred Dahlinger

    Reply: 29 Aug 2009 - Lynn Abbott and Doug Seroff have produced two books, both published by the University of Mississippi Press, that provide extensive primary source material on the subject of African-American musicians on circuses and other traveling shows: “Out of Sight: The Rise of African American Popular Music, 1889-1895” and “Ragged but Right: Black Traveling Shows, ‘Coon Songs,’ and the Dark Pathway to Blues and Jazz.” The later title includes listings of people who composed many of the side show bands through the first decades of the 20th-century. While the authors made use of some, such African-American newspapers as the Indianapolis Freeman, Chicago Defender, and Baltimore Afro-American reported on the activities of early performers who were famous stars within a segregated community and these newspapers occasionally had columns devoted to show business. Richard Flint Baltimore, MD

    Reply: 05 Sep 2009 - Dear Fred and Richard: Thank you so much for answering this question and recommending the various books, as I didn’t have any of them in my library. I have always been very interested in the experiences of African-Americans in the circus and have depended on Robert Houston’s (of Philadelphia) research into the subject. These books were all available on Amazon.com, with used copies very reasonably priced. In January 2010, Manuel “Junior” Ruffin will be enshrined into the Circus Walk of Fame in Sarasota, FL. He will be the first African-American to ever receive this honor and he well deserves it. He started out as a “cageboy” for Clyde Beatty decades ago and went on to train big cats for Mr. Beatty and others, as well as presenting his own Cage Act on Hoxie Bros. Circus in the 1960s and 1970s. He also presented elephants and had a remarkable career outside of the ring as well, where he was Boss Canvasman on Circus Vargas and worked on RBBB. He humorously tells chilling stories of playing throughout the South in the 1960s, where white audiences would cheer on the big cats in his act to attack and kill him. I would venture in that era and in certain parts of the country, he may have been safer inside the cage rather than outside. I hope that Mr. Ruffin’s honor will remind all of us that African-Americans have played a largely unsung but extremely significant role in the American Circus throughout its history. Thanks, again. Neil Cockerline

    Reply: 06 Sep 2009 - Neil, the gathered collection of items relating to African Americans in the American circus at CWM was initiated with the intent that someone would be "inveigled" to compose a book on the subject, as was Jerry Apps about Ringlingville. Alas, that has yet to happen. The same situation exists for any study of the multi-cultural aspects of the circus; they are lacking. The same is true of people of various faiths, though a small file on people of Jewish heritage and faith was also initiated. When nationality flags were hoisted in the Ringling cookhouse one July 4 in the 1910s there must have been about two dozen present, yet there's been little study of the phenomenon beyond the paper by Thayer about the Risley group from Japan. He also noted the first American-born impresarios in his "Annals." It's somewhat surprising because the essential concept of the circus was imported, with most early proprietors and performers also being from offshore.
        You may want to peruse the extensive materials contained in the gathered African American file on your next visit to Baraboo. It covers all aspects, from audience and snack stands to workingmen, and performers to proprietors, with extracts from everything, diaries and journals to route books and photographs. It's all intriguing, and varies from shocking to satisfying. The gathering was not conceived as comprehensive, but to serve as a lead and inspirational source file for further research, a hard copy prelude to the anticipated "key word searching" sort of discovery in a large document collection.
        The most heinous episode in American circus history was the lynching of six African American workingmen with the John Robinson circus at Duluth in 1920, an incident that has been covered in several books and numerous articles. You'll readily find them. The story isn't as much about the circus as the community, a prosperous and presumably tolerant Northern city, which is what made it so shocking. What the volumes do not explore was the absence of commentary about the murders in the outdoor show trade journals. They also fail to assess the presence of black workingmen on many other shows and how the incident impacted their existence. The South, as Junior experienced, could still be dangerous, but what about the North after Duluth? Greg Renoff's book "The Big Tent," focusing on circus-community relations in Georgia, serves to provide a contrasting insight to the Minnesota episode.
        There has been coverage of Junior Ruffin's career in "Bandwagon," at least two articles, and he was invited to address the CHS convention in Sarasota immediately after his participation in the inauguration of the Universoul Circus in the 1990s. Percy Turner's 1960s circus received some coverage in "Bandwagon," too. Pioneering black owner Eph Williams has been addressed in at least three books about Wisconsin's circus heritage. A cryptic note in his obituary suggests that there were several other black shows before his, but they've proven very elusive. Orin King found one and John Polacsek may know of another. Slout's "Olympians" has some cameo biographies of black performers, and one can also find them mentioned in Thayer's "Annals."
        Hopefully someone will take up the challenge of writing the book we'd like to read. Congratulations, Junior! Fred Dahlinger

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3055. Margaret Chipperfield, 25 Aug 2009 - Good Afternoon from Australia, I am trying to get in touch with an old friend, Margaret Chipperfield, daughter of Jimmy and Rose. We all lived in Southampton then. Many years ago! Any Ideas! Please. Graham. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

    Reply: 31 Aug 2009 - Hello Graham, Margaret is my cousin, I saw her last year in England. If you want to send me your full name, a message and some contact details I'll pass them on to her for you. Very best, Jim, jim@stockley.co.za

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership



3054. Lowry/Lowery, Naylor families, 23 Aug 2009 - Can anybody tell me the true story behind a family legend that circus performers called Lowry/Lowery were killed when their ship returning them to USA sank? Does any body have any information, or can tell me where to find information, about the Lowry/Lowery and Naylor travelling showman families, please? Thank you, Laura Simpson. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3053. Damoo Dhotre, 23 Aug 2009 - Dear All, To remember memories of my Great-grandfather late Damoo Dhotre I am arranging Exhibition of Historical Photographs of Damoo Dhotre’s from Circus World on his Birth Anniversary 31st Aug, 2009. I want suggestions, views and feedbacks on Damoo Dhotre’s Life from respected people from Circus World like you, which will be very helpful for Circus Artists and Circus Lovers. I will collect information from each one you and definitely showing in Circus Exhibition. So kindly send me views or comments on mail dhotre.anand@gmail.com as soon as possible. Thanks and Regards, Anand Dhotre (Damoo Dhotre’s Great grandson). Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Keep the heritage of the circus alive, join CHS today! Membership



3052. New book, 23 Aug 2009 - Same book with corrections, I HOPE!, Pat C. It's a book release, and you're invited - check out my new book at Blurb: www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/565861/
fd31e1926a136edff1b08dfdf4e5736d. Thank you, Pat Cuneo [Cirque-Circo-Zirkus-Circus Phase 2. Circus Memories.] Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

      Replies may not be sent for months, note message number to check for replies in message archives.
If someone replies, don't forget a thank you reply.



3051. Robert Barbour Johnson, 22 Aug 2009 - I am looking for information on Robert Barbour Johnson. He said he joined a circus sometime after 1923 and quite some time before 1930, in the time touring most of the U.S. and Canada. He did not give the name of the circus. Johnson was living in New Orleans when he answered a job announcement to be a press agent for a circus. Later, bored, he said that he became an animal trainer. Johnson would later in life write much circus fiction for the pulp /Blue Book Magazine/ as well as become a circus artist, both painting and creating miniatures. Any information on Barbour's circus career or tips on how to confirm his story would be much appreciated. Joshua Buhs, JoshuaBBuhs[at]yahoo[dot]com. Reply to this message, replies go to this board, not to the message sender.

Why join CHS? Find out here - Membership


Back to Main Message Board